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Recovory Lines - think outside the box

Consider premade dock lines for 1/2 the cost. For example, this 3/4-inch dia x 35-ft should to the trick: http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp...894&id=1410964


You can go up to 1-1/4-inch and 41,000 lbs if you feel the need. Save even more $$ by just purchasing the line and learning to tie a bowline.


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What kind of recovery are you using this for, dynamic or static? Are you using it on a winch or just as a snatch strap?
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Old December 2nd, 2014, 12:42 PM
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What kind of recovery are you using this for, dynamic or static? Are you using it on a winch or just as a snatch strap?
Using as spring lines on my 15,000 lb boat which would be dynamic.
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What kind of recovery are you using this for, dynamic or static? Are you using it on a winch or just as a snatch strap?
This.
Considering it says this "Excellent stretch and abrasion resistance " I would think this is a recovery rope not a kinetic rope, which means the price is on par with a normal recovery strap.

Still a nice looking bit-o-kit, my only concern is someone mistaking it for a kinetic rope and giving it hell.

EDIT: Just saw the heading "combining high strength with good flexibility and shock absorption"
So maybe it is a kinetic style rope? Good deal if so. Somebody buy one and try it out.
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It's important to know what kind of stretch it provides. 18k is not a lot if you're doing dynamic recoveries. If those prices are good for kinetic ropes, that's great. Personally I wouldn't want anything with less than 20% stretch for kinetic recoveries.
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Consider premade dock lines for 1/2 the cost. For example, this 3/4-inch dia x 35-ft should to the trick: http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp...894&id=1410964 You can go up to 1-1/4-inch and 41,000 lbs if you feel the need. Save even more $$ by just purchasing the line and learning to tie a bowline. Ironic that one of the bigger boating supply stores is www.defender.com
I bought my winch line from these guys about 9-10 years ago. The line has been used and abused with no complaints.
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Personally I wouldn't want anything with less than 20% stretch for kinetic recoveries.
What on the market has a 20% stretch?
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What on the market has a 20% stretch?


Our kinetic rope, ARB's kinetic strap, Marlow's, Bubba rope - all have 20% or more stretch.
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Our kinetic rope, ARB's kinetic strap, Marlow's, Bubba rope - all have 20% or more stretch.
Yeah I thought it was closer to 30%
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The one linked above is a nylon line and it will have a lot of stretch.
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My son can attest to the fact that using a recovery line and tying a bowline in it is NOT a good idea! Now, he was trying to pull a tree out...but....not recommended.
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My son can attest to the fact that using a recovery line and tying a bowline in it is NOT a good idea! Now, he was trying to pull a tree out...but....not recommended.
Because that is the incorrect knot......
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The double braid nylon ropes by Buccaneer conform to MIL-R-24050D. Elongation is covered in Section 3.5.1 that states "...shall not exceed 40% at the minimum breaking strength..." I didn't see a requirement for a minimum stretch. But I can assure these lines stretch just fine.

Bubba Ropes says mil spec, but does not appear to cite one. However, the following Bubba elongation chart shows a 30-35% elongation at break (note, within the 40% mil spec above). http://www.bubbarope.com/rope-facts
Don't get sucked into the marketing and hype to justify paying 2-3x more. If people trust Buccaneers lines to keep their $$$$ boats from getting smashed during a northeaster, I an assure you they will work fine in jerking your buddy's rig out of the mud hole. The loading conditions are about the same. Go to your local marina during a storm and then tell me what puts more stress on the ropes.
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I'm not suggest not buying this rope, just wanting to makes sure it's correct before anyone gets disappointed! Sounds like a good rope
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Because that is the incorrect knot......
?? The bowline is the best general purpose high strength knot around. Bonus it that it is easy to tie and easier to untie. Even the FAA recommends the bowline to secure aircraft. Yes, the bowline reduces the line strength by ~ 35% as do all knots. Thinking the best knots are around 20-25% but those require a specific condition (like wrapping around a 2' dia tree ...). To make a quick looped end that needs to be untied later, it is hard to beat the bowline.
Somehow a Pedro reference needs to be worked in the discussion.
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A line splice is not a horrible task to under take. Largest size I ever did was 8" and used a capstain to cinch it down...


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Where's the 1-1/4" lines? Couldn't find them on the website.
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?? The bowline is the best general purpose high strength knot around. Bonus it that it is easy to tie and easier to untie. Even the FAA recommends the bowline to secure aircraft. Yes, the bowline reduces the line strength by ~ 35% as do all knots. Thinking the best knots are around 20-25% but those require a specific condition (like wrapping around a 2' dia tree ...). To make a quick looped end that needs to be untied later, it is hard to beat the bowline.
Somehow a Pedro reference needs to be worked in the discussion.

ever heard of the dragon bowline?
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Coming from the climbing community, I have played with a lot of knots. Knot strength is partially dependent on the type of rope-- that said, the bowline is a decent utility knot that ties and unties easily and has a fairly decent knot strength for being easy to tie/untie--it weakens the rope typically in the 40% range. There are better knots, such as a figure eight (also fairly easy to tie/untie) or a blood knot that are quite a bit stronger. None of these compares to a properly braided end which which is what you find on commercially available snatch straps. I don't use knots unless there is a good reason
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