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Realistic Asking Price? 1972 SIII on CL

1972 Land Rover 88 for restoration or parts


What should I really offer the guy? This is out of my league but always something Ive wanted and wanted to do, so why not get one 2 months before I have my first child?
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Old May 5th, 2016, 02:10 PM
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Actually not a horrible price given the 8274 is at least $500 as is, and can be rebuilt on the cheap ($1800 new). Labor of love as lots of NLA bits needed, and the III's don't bring as much as early models- yet!

Congrats on the baby BTW!!
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Old May 5th, 2016, 02:14 PM
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"Truck needs a new frame".... $500 is about what you would get around here, if you were lucky.
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Not a terrible price if you really want a SIII 88".

I personally prefer SII and IIa trucks. That said, the one pictured appears to be very original and unfuckedwith. That is often half the battle when dealing with these older vehicles, trying to figure out how it is supposed to be set up. As it has been said, its much easier to fix the broken than the missing. You could do much worse than that example.
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Old May 5th, 2016, 03:23 PM
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If it were me, I'd try to get the price down on that one. By the way, that may not be an 8274 on that front bumper unless the solenoid pack is hidden elsewhere. That may be the earlier Bellevue winch by Warn which is power in only. No power out.
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Needs major bulkhead work + a new chassis? $500 tops assuming you've got a skills or plenty of money.
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Needs major bulkhead work + a new chassis? $500 tops assuming you've got a skills or plenty of money.
And god knows about any of the mechanicals. Really just a parts vehicle, not a base for restoration.
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Not a terrible price if you really want a SIII 88".

I personally prefer SII and IIa trucks. That said, the one pictured appears to be very original and unfuckedwith. That is often half the battle when dealing with these older vehicles, trying to figure out how it is supposed to be set up. As it has been said, its much easier to fix the broken than the missing. You could do much worse than that example.
I spoke with the guy. He bought it brand new in 1972, still has the original bill of sale and documentation of said sale. He said he never modified it, just drove it. Only 50k original miles. Parked 10 years ago and now wants to finally let go. He said he'd do $1500. I did some math and figured Id be into it, with all new parts, rebuild, and paint for $10k including the truck. In my mind it seems fair, and hoping that it only gains value in the future if I do it right. I am in no way an expert when it comes to these, so I appreciate any and all input. Thank you again
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$1500 is more than fair for that with the winch and a valid title/VIN. That being said, it is at best a donor. For starters, it is a SIII, and the SII/SIIa are much more collectable and don't have the expensive and impossible to find dash parts of the SIII.

Having bought rusty series trucks (out of Canada), they are an absolute nightmare to restore. The worst is not the $$$$ frame and bulkhead, it is everything else, including the aluminium, that is corroded. So, if you want to make it really nice, then get something else. If you want a driver and are willing to a do a frame and bulkhead and everything else to make it a driver, go for it.
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1972 Land Rover 88 for restoration or parts


What should I really offer the guy? This is out of my league but always something Ive wanted and wanted to do, so why not get one 2 months before I have my first child?
yeah, definitely get the price down. heck, whatever you wind up paying, it'll almost be the price just for that winch so everything else is gravy.

i'd wait until labor pains, then bring this up with your girl. how can she say no then?
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$1500 is more than fair for that with the winch and a valid title/VIN. That being said, it is at best a donor. For starters, it is a SIII, and the SII/SIIa are much more collectable and don't have the expensive and impossible to find dash parts of the SIII.

Having bought rusty series trucks (out of Canada), they are an absolute nightmare to restore. The worst is not the $$$$ frame and bulkhead, it is everything else, including the aluminium, that is corroded. So, if you want to make it really nice, then get something else. If you want a driver and are willing to a do a frame and bulkhead and everything else to make it a driver, go for it.
agree 100%.

plus he has had the Ad for 27 days on craigslist. This 88 not going anywhere anytime soon.
in a week come back to him and offer 1k or 1.25k

Think about it, you have a healthy baby coming in few months and i feel that you will be putting alot of money into this vehicle when the money could go to better waste..

correct you are going to replace the bulkhead and chassis, but what about the rest of the parts? you are not going down the street knowing you have a brand new bulkhead and chassis but the rest of the parts on the 88 is almost rotten out..
you have to do more work then you expect..it will cost more then 10k.
assure you that there is many things that could be wrong about this 88 that can not been seen through those pictures..

maybe a different idea...

buy it as is and sell the parts out of it incase you decide you didnt want to go through this rebuilt.
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Seems like it's quite the project. I'd hold out for a II or IIa myself.
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yeah, definitely get the price down. heck, whatever you wind up paying, it'll almost be the price just for that winch so everything else is gravy. i'd wait until labor pains, then bring this up with your girl. how can she say no then?
Agreed! Just call it a push present! As you'll probably have to push it anyways! ;-) Good luck with your decision and with the baby! All the best.
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If the passenger side is as straight as the drivers. Get it. The dash and steering wheel have no cracks. Maybe the frame can be patched up? But that bulkhead needs a lot of work. These guys sell quality bulkhead parts. Genuine Landrover parts for Series Models With this series you can see nothing is hidden from you. It's all original and worth a second chance. Well worth the 1500 bucks.
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With just the few photos presented - it is attractive due to its original looking condition.
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Yeah $1500 assuming he still has the title and paperwork.

The winch is probably more like $200-300 in that condition. I don't see a control box nor remote.

Overall if I was fiddling with a Series 3 and wanted a parts truck, this wouldn't be that bad. Or if I wanted a donor truck for a custom vehicle (coil chassis, TDI, etc).
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Thank you everyone for the input and kind words. We are excited for this baby. Many of you have met my wife at various events and can probably attest that she is quite awesome and a Rover lover herself. At 7.5 months pregnant she has given me the greenlight without even a hesitation. I think deep down she knows a project like this will keep me in the garage close to home and out of trouble.


With that being said, I am still up in the air based on all the info you've all generously provided me. I am going to take the weekend and consider this. Ive always wanted a Series project, but deep down I want a 109. We will see.


Thanks again,
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The others make some good points.

If the car was a daily driver that got put up because of corrosion and everything else was in good nick that would be one thing. But, this has been stored outside for years based on the fading of the choke pull and other obvious factors. That adds to the decay and you will most certainly be turning almost every nut and bolt on the thing.

The US (NAS or NADA) SIII trucks are "less than" the II's and IIa's for a lot of reasons which I don't see covered here so I'll try to point out the differences.

NAS SIII rear tub has steel seat belt mounts underneath that rivet through the outside of the tub. you can see them in the photogrpahs of this truck. Those brackets corrode and eat through the side of the tub making for a very difficult repair that usually involves replacement fo the tub side at the very least.

NAS SIII used 4" amber turn signals which are unique and hard to get lenses for

NAS SIII used the early full synchro gearbox which is prone to synchro failures on the lower gears, and failure of the small reverse gear.

NAS SIII used a plastic doo-hicky on the bottom of the gear lever that breaks and falls off resulting in difficult or impossible shifting and I think the remedy is a new shift lever (mine had a SIIa lever)

Early NAS SIII up until at least mid-73 had the dash vents closed off so that they only blow air up through the top of the dash. The later 73 and 74 trucks had that opened back up so the air would blow straight in.

As stated the SIII dash can rust out and replacement pars are hard to find or expensive.

NAS Late IIa and SIII trucks used 15" rims which are dorky and won't fit appropriate sized tires for Lucky 8 style Land Rovering.

That's all for now...still, it would be a cool truck all fixed up. 88's are small though and you are not so you might wanna try sitting in one and see how it feels.
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I did some math and figured Id be into it, with all new parts, rebuild, and paint for $10k including the truck.


I wouldn't paint it, I would just look for an original hood in the correct color.
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