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Old June 21st, 2010, 09:33 AM
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Question about parts

So, another newbie question for you fine folks so I be all edumacated:

Let's say I wanted to restore a Defender. A full frame-off job. Just how difficult is it to get small parts? I'm not talking about a galvanized chassis and entire bulkheads, but things like door hinges, locks, pins, cv joints, brake discs, engine seals, front wings, etc?

To me it seems like these things should be able to be Fedexed from the UK from myriad sources for not a lot of money. Yet it seems to me as if many Defenders I see for sale are suffering from...how shall I say...neglect and disrepair?

Is it because the some owners just view the trucks as disposable, or is finding small parts difficult, or is the cost of shipping just too high?

Based on simple Google searches, it would seem to me as if finding the small parts is easy, but shipping is the biggest cost...is that somewhat accurate?
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Old June 21st, 2010, 09:43 AM
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The only parts that seem to be hard to find are the ones that were for NAS defenders (and mostly NAS ST).

For example
Some of the wire harness for the NAS truck are hard to find
Trim parts around the NAS ST windscreen
ST cage parts
LHD dash parts are getting hard to come by
some of the NAS fuel system stuff

but standard everyday stuff like body parts, brakes and all of the little bits were used on defenders all over the world are easy to come by. And even with the hard to find parts if you wait long enough or have enough money to throw at it you can find most any part.
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Old June 21st, 2010, 09:51 AM
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I think it is mostly neglect that is the downfall of the Defender. But that is probably the case for any truck that is 13+ years old. Especially one that has the offroad potential like a Defender.

There are plenty of places to get parts, new/used/aftermarket/OEM. RoversNorth, Atlantic British, British Pacific, DAP, the list goes on and on.

I would also recommend George at Rovers Down South (www.roversdownsouth.com), or Stephen Peters (SafariRover). They have some nice inventory, especially for the items fresh from the UK and the prices seem to be relatively reasonable.
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Thanks folks. What about things like doors? How available are they here in the US?

Let's say, for example...middle doors on a 110?
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Old June 21st, 2010, 10:14 AM
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110 middle doors = "rare" and expensive, but Stephen at Safari Rover has a set, I believe.

Also, finding a used set in good shape is very difficult. New middle doors seem to be the best option.

I think most other parts are easy to find, but there are always exceptions.
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New middle doors seem to be the best option.
Bear with me here...if Rovers North, for example, has $630/middle door quoted on their website, will $1260 buy me two brand new middle doors? Or is that price fictional?

I'm concerned about availability ("Yeah, that price is right but we ain't gonna get more in until december") and price inflation ("Yeah, those are hard to find, the web site says $630, but since you just fell off the turnip truck, we gots us 2 left but they'll cost you $975.9999 each.")
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So, another newbie question for you fine folks so I be all edumacated:

Let's say I wanted to restore a Defender...
What is your interpretation of the word "restore"?

Using all factory hardware and OEM, correct vintage parts or refurbish/replace using aftermarket parts/service items.
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Old June 21st, 2010, 12:10 PM
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What is your interpretation of the word "restore"?

Using all factory hardware and OEM, correct vintage parts or refurbish/replace using aftermarket parts/service items.
Sorry I wasn't clear - the latter - replacing components with aftermarket parts/service items.
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Bear with me here...if Rovers North, for example, has $630/middle door quoted on their website, will $1260 buy me two brand new middle doors? Or is that price fictional?
You might want to call them, although someone else might be able to chime in, but that price sounds a little fishy.
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You sure those middle doors are not the series style sliders?
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http://www.roversnorth.com/store/p-2...formation.aspx

So...based on the responses so far, this is sort of what I was afraid of...
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You can get pretty much anything you need. In the end, it comes down to cost. I will ask Les about the doors when I can him today.
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FWIW, even here in the UK, "land of the rover", middle doors (in good condition) are both rare and expensive.
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Just called RN, doors are real and exist. I almost ordered a pair and then realized that I have two sets already.

$630 each gets you the metal bits of the door to transfer over your internals. They will also build complete doors for more money.

Ron

PS I talked to Arthur, not Les so I am not as convinced until I talk to Les.
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FWIW, even here in the UK, "land of the rover", middle doors (in good condition) are both rare and expensive.
That's good to know!

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$630 each gets you the metal bits of the door to transfer over your internals. They will also build complete doors for more money.
So basically the part of the door that really needs replacing...namely the "internals" (aka the rusted out door frame)...is not included in the $630 price.
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http://www.roversnorth.com/store/p-2...formation.aspx

So...based on the responses so far, this is sort of what I was afraid of...
From my experience, just because it's listed doesn't mean they actually have them in stock. Good thing Ron called to confirm. I am not always that lucky.
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Well, I just called RN myself. They explained the details on the middle doors and other parts.

They said that they hand-build their middle doors themselves out of parts, and the cost per door is not cheap as a result ($2995/door.)

Not making a value judgement on that one, but apparently they don't have the luxury of takeoffs.

So it looks like $2000 for a pair of front doors and $6000 for a pair of middle doors. Replacing the rusty bits on the front doors is possible for $1300 a pair for the front assuming all the other internal parts are in good condition.

Aside from the doors, though, the other parts don't look so expensive. Essentially I could save myself money by buying a vehicle with doors that are in good shape or have to budget to account for the cost of replacing the doors.
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So basically the part of the door that really needs replacing...namely the "internals" (aka the rusted out door frame)...is not included in the $630 price.

No, I was told $630 got you the part that DID rust/corrdoe out. IE the frame and the skin.
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No, I was told $630 got you the part that DID rust/corrdoe out. IE the frame and the skin.
Yes, thanks for the clarification evilfij.

That's not bad. I just have to budget that in.
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What kind of Defender 90 is in your future that would have middle doors anyway?
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