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Old May 20th, 2014, 08:57 PM
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PSA: If you have an 4.4L LR3 or RRS, replace this...

This is the bleeder hose that goes to the thermostat housing. It is one of the few items on an LR3 or RRS that will leave you stranded very easily. These trucks get towed in all the time from this hose coming apart. A cheap and easy fix would to be to do away with the bleeder all together and just put a double ended hose barb in its place.







I decided to post this since there seem to be a lot of LR3 owners on here, and some may not know of this issue.

Also, I meant for the title to say "a" not "an" but I can't edit it...
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Thanks! Can you post a pic of the part you recommend installing instead?
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Old May 20th, 2014, 09:25 PM
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Thanks! Can you post a pic of the part you recommend installing instead?
I've never actually installed anything other than the factory part. Something like this in the correct size. I actually had a friend get stranded in Moab because of this and he had to hitch-hike back to town to get a double ended hose barb to fix it.
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Wait it's a connector to join two hoses?
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Does the factory part just blow apart on it's own or does it take some outside agitation to cause it to break?
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Appreciate the heads up! Be something to look for.
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Does the factory part just blow apart on it's own or does it take some outside agitation to cause it to break?
They blow up on their own. Usually they crack and seep before the blow apart. If you touch it, it will break.
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They blow up on their own. Usually they crack and seep before the blow apart. If you touch it, it will break.
Any downside to removing that bleeder nozzle? I mean, it can still be bled without that right? If so maybe I'll get a diameter measurement on the hose and figure out where we can get a brass barb that'll fit.
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Any downside to removing that bleeder nozzle? I mean, it can still be bled without that right? If so maybe I'll get a diameter measurement on the hose and figure out where we can get a brass barb that'll fit.
I've never used that bleeder. I'm not sure how most people filling the cooling systems on these at home, but I use a vacuum filler. You could accomplish the same thing by disconnecting the hose where it connects to the thermostat housing when you are filling it.
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Jimmy, how long is a new OEM bleeder t good for? I'll make the preemptive replacement as suggested. What was the other part you suggested changing? The thermostat housing/assy as well?
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Jimmy, how long is a new OEM bleeder t good for? I'll make the preemptive replacement as suggested. What was the other part you suggested changing? The thermostat housing/assy as well?
http://www.partsgeek.com/gbproducts/...FaZlOgodq3YANQ
It's cheaper here:

http://landrovermerriamparts.com/par...&siteid=215719
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Thanks for the link. Interesting that the MSRP is listed at $128.59. How can (why does) RN sell it for $148.86?
http://www.roversnorth.com/ProductDe...FS4aOgodn24Ang


For that tee, it looks to be part of item 4 (bypass hose 4.4 L). Not sure how to obtain the LR part number:


http://landrovermerriamparts.com/par...iagram=7116048
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Jimmy, how long is a new OEM bleeder t good for? I'll make the preemptive replacement as suggested. What was the other part you suggested changing? The thermostat housing/assy as well?
http://www.partsgeek.com/gbproducts/...FaZlOgodq3YANQ
No telling with that bleeder. Kind of like oil cooler lines in my opinion. That thermostat housing does tend to leak, but I wouldn't replace it unless it is leaking. I don't think I've seen one catastrophically fail.
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Thanks for the link. Interesting that the MSRP is listed at $128.59. How can (why does) RN sell it for $148.86?
http://www.roversnorth.com/ProductDe...FS4aOgodn24Ang


For that tee, it looks to be part of item 4 (bypass hose 4.4 L). Not sure how to obtain the LR part number:


http://landrovermerriamparts.com/par...iagram=7116048
Maybe LR006158 ?

http://landrovermerriamparts.com/par...&siteid=215719

I think roversnorth can get away with charging more than MSRP because a LOT of dealers (not just Land Rover) charge a lot more than MSRP.
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Thanks for the link. Interesting that the MSRP is listed at $128.59. How can (why does) RN sell it for $148.86?
http://www.roversnorth.com/ProductDe...FS4aOgodn24Ang


For that tee, it looks to be part of item 4 (bypass hose 4.4 L). Not sure how to obtain the LR part number:


http://landrovermerriamparts.com/par...iagram=7116048
Because if we sold it for $128 we'd be out of business
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Because if we sold it for $128 we'd be out of business
That was not meant to be a bash on RN, as you guys have found your niche. In fact, I am anxiously waiting for a small box from RN now.
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That was not meant to be a bash on RN, as you guys have found your niche. In fact, I am anxiously waiting for a small box from RN now.
I wasn't offended or anything, just looked at the cost and can't understand how Meriam could sell it for that cheap without losing money. Not sure what the pricing structure is for dealers buying parts for the newer vehicles. Thank you for the order
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I wasn't offended or anything, just looked at the cost and can't understand how Meriam could sell it for that cheap without losing money. Not sure what the pricing structure is for dealers buying parts for the newer vehicles. Thank you for the order
When I worked in a garage (mostly Honda/Acura stuff) sometimes we would get the warehouse "pick ticket" still attached to special order parts. It had dealer cost and msrp on the ticket. It looked like dealer cost was about 50% of msrp for most parts.

I have no similar experience with Land Rover, as we got our Rover parts from worldpac, because we didn't know what we were doing
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Jimmy,

Should the hoses be crimped before replacing the bleeder with a brass barb to avoid air getting in or coolant getting out? (when engine is cool of course...)

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