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Old November 14th, 2015, 06:18 AM
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It get that it is the Eiffel tower, but it looks more like the Anarchy symbol to me.

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Old November 14th, 2015, 10:32 AM
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if it looks like the anarchy symbol, then good. I think the world will now recognize the anarchy symbol as a different meaning.

As far as I'm concerned, like the pope said, we are now officially in a 3rd world war. Any politician on either party that is an isolationist and not FULLY committed to immigration control (completely separate from amnesty issue) and destroying (not defeating) ISIL needs to step out of the race now. That includes all Western countries, not just US. I'm done with isolationist pacifists. It's time to break out the Raid spray
and get the band back together. Game on!...



And F' those that don't want to talk to Putin. You can't hate everyone, not talk to everyone and be a world power. We've never had so much in common with Russia as we have right now.
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Someone at church told me Putin stated "America has lost its mind."

I think we all agreed that we have become to pacifist.

Living in Austin, everyone here wants love and peace, not war. Ok flower children. Sit back get slaughtered like lambs.

And we are kidding ourselves if we think Isis isn't here yet. With the Thanksgiving day parade coming up, that would an excellent opportunity for an Isis attack.
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It's hard to argue that a nation which just spent trillions on a decade and a half of ill-conceived war is either isolationist or pacifist. I would suggest to those of you willing to think for yourselves that the US has become addicted to military power at the expense of any other nuance in foreign/security policy. It has nothing to do with the taking points that those running for president are feeding you. Please go vote for someone conscientious and informed for as many local and state positions as you can. You'll have more effect by spending your time supporting your house reps and senators than you will grinding your teeth about the madness spouted by any particular presidential candidate.
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A friend of a family member was at the concert. He's as yet unaccounted for but let's be honest it's not likely to be a happy outcome.

is anyone asking why France is the target? It's not like they have the drones or boots on the ground. Ask yourself what it is about France that makes it the focus for repeat attacks.

Remember freedom fries ... It's not as if France was a huge supporter of the Gulf wars.

If you can work out why France is the focus you could identify a path to resolution.

Ask yourself why a petty criminal took an AK into a concert hall and killed a friend of my brother in law.

None of this has a soundbite, none can be solved by playing drone whack a mole with jihadis.

No doubt there needs to be an escalation and a weakening of ISIS but we additionally need to stop feeding the expansion and radicalization of the people who flock to jihad. Isis will only finally die when no one joins or funds it. Starve it of recruits and resources and it will die of its own accord.
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Sorry to hear that Jason... Hope by some miracle they are found ok...

As to why France...some compelling reasons.

Charlie Hebdo and Banning the burkha just for starters..

Paris terror attacks: Why has France been targeted again? - Telegraph
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The why behind France isn't hard at all. Disaffected minority (NOT near term refugees) + motivation & logistical capacity = opportunity.

Defeating the idea behind it is something that can't be done militarily.

What I also find funny is all the bemoaning that we should do more in Syria/Iraq; I'm unclear as to what that looks like in application beyond rhetoric.

I'm also unclear as to who, exactly, will go there to do it.
*i know where I will be, ironic especially since I'm actually going into Iraq in the exceptionally bear term.
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Formulating opinions based off of overtly biased and blatantly false "facts" from so called media outlets is asinine.

We are so quick to shoot down any long held societal norms that has Judo-Christian origins in the name of separation, yet are so quick to excuse terroristic behavior stemming from the perceived antagonism of Islam.

The history of the birth and rise of Islam is there if anyone cares to read and comprehend. Or you can continue to form your opinions based off of the media.

I say these things out of absolute fear in the direction that the EU and we are headed...not to quarrel with anyone here.

That off my chest, I pray for our French brothers.
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So that's what this is all about. They are bitter about the defeat at the battle of Tour almost 1300 years ago.
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I'm sure others have said this, but I'll just note that one cannot understand ISIS unless they understand that their end goal is exactly what happened in Paris -- that is to say, the chaos, death, revenge, terror. Any political, demographic, or geographic goal only serves the purpose of reaching the end-goal of more chaos. This is because they believe they are being instrumental in ushering in the end times by creating the apocalypse.

As far as trying to stop them. Targeted killings with special forces are as close as we should get to boots on the ground. Otherwise, we should be looking to isolate and secure. Isolate the ISIS held areas. Be able to respond when this happens again. And isolate ourselves by stopping the insanity that is laissez faire immigration.

At least two of the shooters were "refugees". And there would have been a few more of them if the Germans had not stopped one of them who was smuggling guns and grenades to Paris earlier this week.
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The why behind France isn't hard at all. Disaffected minority (NOT near term refugees) + motivation & logistical capacity = opportunity. Defeating the idea behind it is something that can't be done militarily. What I also find funny is all the bemoaning that we should do more in Syria/Iraq; I'm unclear as to what that looks like in application beyond rhetoric. I'm also unclear as to who, exactly, will go there to do it. *i know where I will be, ironic especially since I'm actually going into Iraq in the exceptionally bear term.
France has had a disaffected minority for a very long time ... Historically they expressed themselves with annual riots and car burning.

Now this anger is being funneled by radicalization into more heinous acts. Isis are merely leveraging the underlying discontent for their own purposes and agenda.

France's issue is that they have effectively declared 'war' on their own population who reside in their own country. It will be interesting to see what form this domestic war on disaffected French citizens will take.

Non-military solutions don't make good sound bites for winning votes from a population with a binary view of the world.
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Non-military solutions don't make good sound bites for winning votes from a population with a binary view of the world.
Sad but true. It's impossible to expect voters with low standards to hold their elected officials to high standards. Even more sadly, extremism is a problem in the US as well. We've got a fundamentalist side to our population who would be quite satisfied to abandon secularism and impose their own version of moral authoritarianism.
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Anytime. People sticking their heads in the sand will be rolled over by people like this, either by force or by population. Dreaming of a peaceful resolution to this problem will only cause more death. You can't negotiate with people ideologically committed to your death.

Is the west innocent? No. But that doesn't change our situation. Standing in the sideline and saying "we deserve this" only allows more of our children to be killed in our streets.
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France has had a disaffected minority for a very long time ... Historically they expressed themselves with annual riots and car burning.

Now this anger is being funneled by radicalization into more heinous acts. Isis are merely leveraging the underlying discontent for their own purposes and agenda.

France's issue is that they have effectively declared 'war' on their own population who reside in their own country. It will be interesting to see what form this domestic war on disaffected French citizens will take.

Non-military solutions don't make good sound bites for winning votes from a population with a binary view of the world.
I maintain that there are no politics involved. This is the end-game of ISIS. Chaos, destruction, death, terror. That is their goal, not a means to their goal. Unless we find an actual French connection -- French citizen leaving, connecting with the refugees, then coming back to do this. But even then, the French connection may only be a coincidence of the fact that they came from France, so they are going to be on the team who is going to attack France. Just like we will see German ex-pats on the team to attack Germany. Americans on the team to attack America.
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Since Putin is the only one right now with a strategy for ISIL, it's time to soak in some "PUTIN PORN"



That's right. Soak it up you dirty little infidels.

ISIS got a free week of stay at a resort in Cabo San Lucas on their trip Norte, so let this pic distract you all for just a little longer.
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France strikes back

Just happened; France Launches Airstrikes Against Islamic State Stronghold in Syria - WSJ
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