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Old June 12th, 2016, 02:05 PM
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Orlando shooting :(

Thoughts and prayers, good vibes sent to any affected by this event...

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Old June 12th, 2016, 02:11 PM
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All that from just one shooter.
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Old June 12th, 2016, 02:30 PM
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Terrible event and prayers go out to these families. Just got back from Clearwater. Glad I don't live in the downtown area anymore. The whole area is gridlocked. Seems like an exceptional amount of damage from a single rifle and handgun.
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Old June 12th, 2016, 03:00 PM
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All that from just one shooter.
One Shooter, but in a packed arena, with no personnel armed to defend against the attack, it sounds like it was a shooting gallery for him unfortunately..

Of course My thoughts and prayers go out to all of those affected, sad, ad day. And these Sad days are happening far to often..


P.S. - On another note, I suspect Obama will be back on the gun control pulpit today. Interesting to hear this guy worked as an armed security guard. So somewhere along the way he was cleared through channels to carry when working..
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Old June 12th, 2016, 03:29 PM
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He has been radicalized for some time, watched by the FBI, etc...

Evil is as evil does.

Seems odd that someone who actually is, and should be watched, somehow got guns. I hope we will get an honest analysis about where his weapons came from.

Also, this really demonstrates the nature of ISIS. Sure, at the core, ISIS is an organization of some kind, but really, it's an ideology.

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Old June 12th, 2016, 04:01 PM
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No law against him getting guns thanks to the NRA backed voting lobby in DC
Not the first shooting at that location according to Google searches.
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Old June 12th, 2016, 04:21 PM
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Surprises me no concelled carry folks inside- at least have a fighting chance.

Thoughts and prayers to all affected, as well as our country- something has got to change, and soon!!
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Old June 12th, 2016, 04:27 PM
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You can't carry in any type of bar or club in the state of Florida. So it was yet another "gun free zone" where only one person had a gun. The shooter, Omar Mateen, is a Muslim who lives in Port St. Lucie a couple miles up the road in the next county north of me.
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Old June 12th, 2016, 04:36 PM
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Interesting read. No shocking.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7078476.html
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No law against him getting guns thanks to the NRA backed voting lobby in DC
Not the first shooting at that location according to Google searches.
Clarification... the shooter was under FBI surveillance. Despite that, he was able to purchase weapons. Was it because he was only under investigation with no acts or record? Was it because he was Islamic and therefore on the PC list of untouchables?

I love this religion of peace...sarc off.
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No law against him getting guns thanks to the NRA backed voting lobby in DC
Not the first shooting at that location according to Google searches.
As if a law would have stopped him. There are laws against killing people. He broke that one and would have used something to kill.

This didn't happen because of guns. It was a shooting because he used a gun. It could have been a bomb or some poison gas. Then the headline would be "50+ killed in largest night club bombing/poison gas attack in US history."

If you really feel that the NRA is to blame for this you are well beyond disillusioned.

Stuff like this happens because of fear mongering and the continued acceptance of extremist beliefs. Hating LBGTS folks to your bone is absurd and religions that are intolerant and cultures that are intolerant are the problem. I don't believe in the US we are executing people that are gay but there are countries, cultures, and religions in the world that do. If you honestly are focused and irritated by NRA lobbied gun laws then you should unscrew your head from your bum bum and use your brain to think about what is really going on.

------ Follow up post added June 12th, 2016 04:44 PM ------

And more to that, my British wife just saw a typical facebook.com thing by Occupy Democrats saying something to the effect of wake up America ban assault weapons now. Her exact words were, "wow even these guys aren't addressing the real problem." She hates guns and understands that they aren't the problem.
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If you read the link I posted, which I didn't know about in my first post, its scary that someone like him had the approval to buy that he did. And security access
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If you read the link I posted, which I didn't know about in my first post, its scary that someone like him had the approval to buy that he did. And security access
And that's not the NRAs fault. That is the administration's that had NASA finding ways to reach out to the Muslim world back in 2010 fault. Set your priorities and policies incorrectly and you get what you get.

If you have policies that focus on real homeland defense then you'd have more guys looking into the home grown terrorists (white black brown tan yellow). Clearly the guy did something to have cause for FBI investigation but not enough to stop this obviously. It would be interesting to find out the exact cause for investigation and why nothing came of it.
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Raub makes a good point.
This place was probably chosen because it was a gunfree zone and easy for the jihadist.



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As if a law would have stopped him. There are laws against killing people. He broke that one and would have used something to kill. This didn't happen because of guns. It was a shooting because he used a gun. It could have been a bomb or some poison gas. Then the headline would be "50+ killed in largest night club bombing/poison gas attack in US history." If you really feel that the NRA is to blame for this you are well beyond disillusioned. Stuff like this happens because of fear mongering and the continued acceptance of extremist beliefs. Hating LBGTS folks to your bone is absurd and religions that are intolerant and cultures that are intolerant are the problem. I don't believe in the US we are executing people that are gay but there are countries, cultures, and religions in the world that do. If you honestly are focused and irritated by NRA lobbied gun laws then you should unscrew your head from your bum bum and use your brain to think about what is really going on. ------ Follow up post added June 12th, 2016 04:44 PM ------ And more to that, my British wife just saw a typical facebook.com thing by Occupy Democrats saying something to the effect of wake up America ban assault weapons now. Her exact words were, "wow even these guys aren't addressing the real problem." She hates guns and understands that they aren't the problem.
Do you feel there should be some responsible screening done in these modern days where people are now converting and exercising their fanatical beliefs?

I personally don't think the constitution took into account AR-14's or fanatical Islam. I think it's probably time to take some heads out of the sand and give up a little freedom for the sake of our country.
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Old June 12th, 2016, 06:56 PM
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Raub makes a good point.
This place was probably chosen because it was a gunfree zone and easy for the jihadist.

And an especially soft target. There's a very strong police presence just up the road where all of the downtown bars are, and barely any to speak of around Pulse. If his initial intention was to get inside and take hostages he probably knew there would be a window for him to get set up within, where any of the other packed out bars, while potentially more target-rich, would have had an almost immediate police response.

It's a damn shame to see, but the city has rallied together which is refreshing. I've been seeing photos of insane lines at the local blood banks at a lot of support for those affected.

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Give up a little freedom for safety? and that's how it all starts. Sounds like a subject or sheep talking them a free man.



Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

On the issue of the 2nd amendment not taking AR-15's into account. At its writing the musket was the most powerful advanced personal weapon in the world. In time of its creation you could own a ship of the line with 20 canon legally. The AR-15 is not the problem

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Also we should focus on the tragedy and looking after those affected before playing political football.
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Mgreenspan and Greenmountainrover I agree with your posts 100%.. The gun did not kill the people
In Orlando, it was a radical Islamist terrorist who killed the innocent people...
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Do you feel there should be some responsible screening done in these modern days where people are now converting and exercising their fanatical beliefs?

I personally don't think the constitution took into account AR-14's or fanatical Islam. I think it's probably time to take some heads out of the sand and give up a little freedom for the sake of our country.
I think it did hence no specific ref to popular weapons at the time. Just my arms.

Anyway, the point the anti gun folks are missing is that if there was no rifle it would have still happened.

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The only thing that should be given up is fear of calling this what it is.
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It isn't about gun rights. It's about the way our homeland security always seems to be worried about the wrong people. They keep telling us they need to limit our ability to get guns; as in, people who are not being watched, the law abiding citizen.

This guy was under investigation multiple times. I'm merely wondering why/how he had weapons when his background check should have had a red flag.

At the very least, this case shows that gun laws are not the answer. If he got them legally, this is a guy who should not have been able to, by what I understand to be current regulations. If he got them illegally... we see that gun restriction laws don't work either way.

In the meantime. Homeland Security shows us how important it is that we make sure no out-of-regulation Defenders are on our streets.

Also, take a look at the connections between the origins of our Navy after the establishment of the Constitution, Thomas Jefferson, and Islamic Terrorism.
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