Orlando shooting :( - Page 2 - Defender Source
Defender Source  

Go Back   Defender Source > Non-Technical Discussions > Misc. Chit-Chat


Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #21  
Old June 12th, 2016, 07:50 PM
greenmountainrover's Avatar
greenmountainrover
Status: Offline
Derek Chace
84 Lightweight FFR
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Charlotte VT
Posts: 1,656
Registry
Agreed
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	image-636432737.jpg
Views:	108
Size:	178.8 KB
ID:	151788  
__________________
Green Mountain Rovers your Defender/Series sales and importation specialist.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

802-655-4874
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #22  
Old June 12th, 2016, 08:04 PM
solarguy's Avatar
solarguy
Status: Offline
Abraham Bell
1985 Defender 110 Tithonus
D-90 Source Vendor
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Lake Wales Fl. USA
Posts: 2,024
Registry
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1of40 View Post
Do you feel there should be some responsible screening done in these modern days where people are now converting and exercising their fanatical beliefs? I personally don't think the constitution took into account AR-14's or fanatical Islam. I think it's probably time to take some heads out of the sand and give up a little freedom for the sake of our country.
I believe we have given up a lot of freedom after 9/11. Isn't that what they want us to do?

Think about it like this. All of the people that went to that club gave up there right to carry firearms to enter the club. Raub is probably right. Choose your target well and you will have high rewards.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old June 12th, 2016, 08:05 PM
D90Overkill's Avatar
D90Overkill
Status: Offline
David Frank
1995 ST #2615
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Napa, CA. United States
Posts: 4,864
Registry
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoot View Post
Mgreenspan and Greenmountainrover I agree with your posts 100%.. The gun did not kill the people In Orlando, it was a radical Islamist terrorist who killed the innocent people...
Quote:
Originally Posted by mgreenspan View Post
The only thing that should be given up is fear of calling this what it is.
With you.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #24  
Old June 12th, 2016, 11:35 PM
vasily's Avatar
vasily
Status: Offline
Vasily
97 D90 SW
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 732
Registry
If it's not an AR, it will be something else. Somehow, we have been taught that all people are generally good and that we just need a legal framework within which to live.

But human history is punctuated by people doing terrible things to each other.

Thinking that some law or some limit on guns will stop evil people freon doing evil things is ludicrous. I'm not a gun nut. But I know that Kalashnikovs are illegal in France, but that didn't stop the attacks there last November. Oh, and drugs are illegal and they are everywhere. Hell, cell phones are illegal in prison but the inmates still get them.

You have to address the core issue, not the tool. And that isn't some easy bumper sticker answer. Like I said already, mankind has been massacring one another since Kane and Able.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old June 13th, 2016, 12:38 AM
cwilder's Avatar
cwilder
Status: Offline
Chad
2012 110 Black
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 739
Registry
I think we just have to get used to mass shootings all the time. No one seems to be reasonable when it comes to gun control. Its kinda sad how the argument goes so far right or so far left once you bring up gun safety or the idea of any regulations. This certainly won't be the last mass shooting regardless of this murders radical islamic beliefs. A lot of the previous mass shooters were not radical muslims. Seems like this is occurring every few months and nothing is gonna change. I lived in Australia for 2 years. They had one mass shooting and changed the gun laws. Look it up it was in Tasmania. I guess we are good with this level of violence and death. I'm not anti gun. I grew with them like most of you guys. I just think we need some level of reasonable clarity on this issue. Its a Sad day. again.
__________________
_________________________________
2016 Range Rover TD6
2013 Raptor F150 SVT
1997 D-90 #1867 (sold) :(
2012 Black 110 :) In OZ still
2011 LR4 "Metropolis" (sold) :(
2011 Raptor F150 SVT (sold) :(
2007 Shelby GT500 (sold)
2007 LR3 (sold)
2006 RRS (sold)
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old June 13th, 2016, 01:14 AM
LuisC's Avatar
LuisC
Status: Offline
Luis Constantin
98 Disvovery 1 LE
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Austin,Texas USA
Posts: 1,898
Registry
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
No law against him getting guns thanks to the NRA backed voting lobby in DC Not the first shooting at that location according to Google searches.
It could have been worse if it had been something more destructive than a gun. A suicide belt, sarin gas, ricin, or some other toxic nerve agent. All these could have resulted in more fatalities. But somehow probably would not have been as shocking because there were no guns.
__________________
Black Rhino Lives Matter
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old June 13th, 2016, 01:28 AM
LuisC's Avatar
LuisC
Status: Offline
Luis Constantin
98 Disvovery 1 LE
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Austin,Texas USA
Posts: 1,898
Registry
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1of40 View Post
Do you feel there should be some responsible screening done in these modern days where people are now converting and exercising their fanatical beliefs? I personally don't think the constitution took into account AR-14's or fanatical Islam. I think it's probably time to take some heads out of the sand and give up a little freedom for the sake of our country.
How differently would "the Constitution" have read if this country's fore fathers had predicted these shocking events and fanaticism?
If it's this shocking to us in this day and age still, imagine the shock they would be in.
__________________
Black Rhino Lives Matter
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old June 13th, 2016, 01:59 AM
Ray_G's Avatar
Ray_G
Status: Offline
Ray Gerber
54 S1 86", 96 D1 (Coyote), 06 D3
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: NoVA
Posts: 2,636
Registry
Truly a stunning event, and in many ways a perfect storm given that you have what appears to be a radical islamic terrorist using what is likely legal weapons to attack an LGBT oriented club.

Its fascinating to watch people's reactions to this since one side is screaming about Islamic Terrorism with outrage that one attacked a group of people that weeks ago they were up in arms about bathroom use and marraige over, on the other side the weapon gets blamed but the unfortunate reality that nobody wants to acknowledge is that in a country of 330M people we have 300M weapons. What's the solution for that? Background checks and wait limits? Take them back? (good luck)

No simple solutions really, but one thing is certain-over reacting and basking in fear ala post 9/11 will only perpetuate the conditions we live in now.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old June 13th, 2016, 05:17 AM
leastonce's Avatar
leastonce
Status: Offline
Jason England
D-90 White 95 SW #65
Site Team
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: NYC
Posts: 6,078
Registry
Walter Mitty terrorist who happened to be a Muslim looking to justify his actions by invoking ISIS. Weak minded politicians will jump on the divisive nature of this attack to promote their own selfish agenda.

MY view is this was a clearly mentally deficient homophobe who probably suppressing his own homosexual tendencies.

Yes he could have used gas or a bomb. But that requires a level of sophistication this person likely lacked.

Unfortunately the next perpetrators are figuring out how to exceed the body count.

America is experiencing the opening skirmish in its second civil war. The mentally ill vs the political inaction of accepting this as normal.

Divisive political posturing can't prevent these events. Only a broad range of measures promoting responsible gun ownership for mentally capable people with meaningful investment in healthcare can reverse the trend.
__________________
Quote:
Soapy water / KY jelly, etc. is is basically a must. Yes, good idea to remove trim panels - only takes 5 more minutes to do so.
Car Camping Collective founding member and Chief Executive Officer
Cat Camping Collective founding member and Chief Executive Officer
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old June 13th, 2016, 06:17 AM
Daddymow's Avatar
Daddymow
Status: Offline
Raub A.
1987 D110 Tithonus
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Stuart, FL / Boone, NC
Posts: 3,966
Registry
So what were the attacks in France Jason? Where those also weak minded homophobic individuals denying their own sexuality? Oh and by the way the guns and bombs used over there were all illegal, prohibited, not allowed, verboten, you will get in big trouble if you own them weapons. Please enlighten us on how that happens if they were illegal and they have very strict gun laws how did they shoot people then it should not of happened because there are very strict laws against those guns I don't understand.
__________________
You can't polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter - eBay.uk ad for Freelander.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old June 13th, 2016, 06:40 AM
Daddymow's Avatar
Daddymow
Status: Offline
Raub A.
1987 D110 Tithonus
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Stuart, FL / Boone, NC
Posts: 3,966
Registry
And I guess the FBI had opened investigations on this "Walter Mitty" because he was suppressing his own homosexual tendencies right?
__________________
You can't polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter - eBay.uk ad for Freelander.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old June 13th, 2016, 06:57 AM
leastonce's Avatar
leastonce
Status: Offline
Jason England
D-90 White 95 SW #65
Site Team
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: NYC
Posts: 6,078
Registry
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daddymow View Post
So what were the attacks in France Jason? Where those also weak minded homophobic individuals denying their own sexuality? Oh and by the way the guns and bombs used over there were all illegal, prohibited, not allowed, verboten, you will get in big trouble if you own them weapons. Please enlighten us on how that happens if they were illegal and they have very strict gun laws how did they shoot people then it should not of happened because there are very strict laws against those guns I don't understand.
I think the Paris attacks were clearly planned and organised in the name of ISIS by a coordinated group with proven links.

I'm in favor of responsible gun ownership ... which for me excludes people that have a deficient mental capacity that allows them to commit atrocities against innocents. I don't have an answer about how that would work ... I just believe it needed.

When describing the events I said ' My View' is that he was a homophobe. That may stem from many reasons including religious beliefs.

Likely this event is both a hate crime and religiously motivated, I'm sure the next days and weeks will provide clarity as to motives and alignment.
__________________
Quote:
Soapy water / KY jelly, etc. is is basically a must. Yes, good idea to remove trim panels - only takes 5 more minutes to do so.
Car Camping Collective founding member and Chief Executive Officer
Cat Camping Collective founding member and Chief Executive Officer
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old June 13th, 2016, 07:20 AM
Daddymow's Avatar
Daddymow
Status: Offline
Raub A.
1987 D110 Tithonus
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Stuart, FL / Boone, NC
Posts: 3,966
Registry
What is a shame is that weren't 2 or 3 ccw carrying in the club. A couple of sheep dogs in amongst the sheep to be slaughtered and tints would have probably turned out much different.
__________________
You can't polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter - eBay.uk ad for Freelander.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old June 13th, 2016, 07:36 AM
1of40's Avatar
1of40
Status: Offline
1of40
NAS 97SW & 83 One Ten Tdi
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Potomac Falls & Wintergreen, Virginia
Posts: 6,075
Registry
Quote:
Originally Posted by solarguy View Post
I believe we have given up a lot of freedom after 9/11. Isn't that what they want us to do? Think about it like this. All of the people that went to that club gave up there right to carry firearms to enter the club. Raub is probably right. Choose your target well and you will have high rewards.
I believe you're absolutely right. The acts of 9/11 continue on autopilot today. The acts of that day continue to confuse and distract and divide us as a country. Confusion, distraction and division certainly seems to have been a brilliant way to take away one's freedom.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old June 13th, 2016, 07:55 AM
Overlander's Avatar
Overlander
Status: Offline
mark kellgren
in between D's in an 04 D2
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 6,531
Registry
Quote:
Originally Posted by leastonce View Post

I think the Paris attacks were clearly planned and organised in the name of ISIS by a coordinated group with proven links.

I'm in favor of responsible gun ownership ... which for me excludes people that have a deficient mental capacity that allows them to commit atrocities against innocents. I don't have an answer about how that would work ... I just believe it needed.

When describing the events I said ' My View' is that he was a homophobe. That may stem from many reasons including religious beliefs.

Likely this event is both a hate crime and religiously motivated, I'm sure the next days and weeks will provide clarity as to motives and alignment.
I am a pro-gun guy but do believe background checks make sense. I do not believe gun control will stop ISIL inspired attacks in this country though. if you have not deployed to the Middle East, then you can't comprehend the innovation of terrorists in their pursuit of lethality.

There are an endless amount of ways to produce mass casualties without gun. A stolen garbage truck driven full speed through the front door of that club would have been just as lethal as an example.
__________________
Mark Kellgren
KM4BOR

ISIL and al qaeda can go F*ck themselves...
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old June 13th, 2016, 07:58 AM
cosmic88's Avatar
cosmic88
Status: Offline
Cosmo
87 RRC, 94 RRC, 95 D1
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Orlando
Posts: 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daddymow View Post
What is a shame is that weren't 2 or 3 ccw carrying in the club. A couple of sheep dogs in amongst the sheep to be slaughtered and tints would have probably turned out much different.
The off-duty police officer working security at the club was armed.
__________________
- Cosmo
some Rovers & Stuff
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old June 13th, 2016, 08:13 AM
Ray_G's Avatar
Ray_G
Status: Offline
Ray Gerber
54 S1 86", 96 D1 (Coyote), 06 D3
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: NoVA
Posts: 2,636
Registry
Just for some context to add data to a lot of emotion.

Since 9/11, prior to Orlando, 45 people had been killed in Jihadist linked/inspired/affiliated attacks. Orlando, of course, now doubles that number to 100.

Of note that does mean the neck and neck race between Radical Islamic Terrorism and just Right Wing pieces of shit has now been surpassed of course (previously 45 to 48, respectively).

The big question of course is what substantive things will people accept as a response? Less freedoms? Background checks with flagging for...unclear critera...? Want to embrace violence and let folks back off the leash in the Middle East (newsflash, we are off the leash-unless you want a significant uptick in caskets coming home).

Sadly aside from the horror and shock of it all, the numbers don't compare to the murders in the US (which really isn't that bad, except for the emotional reaction to the cost of life).
FWIW at least.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old June 13th, 2016, 08:28 AM
Overlander's Avatar
Overlander
Status: Offline
mark kellgren
in between D's in an 04 D2
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 6,531
Registry
Quote:
Originally Posted by greenmountainrover View Post
Agreed
Derek, I expect this kind of response from Briggs, but not you.
__________________
Mark Kellgren
KM4BOR

ISIL and al qaeda can go F*ck themselves...
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old June 13th, 2016, 09:28 AM
Daddymow's Avatar
Daddymow
Status: Offline
Raub A.
1987 D110 Tithonus
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Stuart, FL / Boone, NC
Posts: 3,966
Registry
Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmic88 View Post
The off-duty police officer working security at the club was armed.
And he engaged with the shooter almost immediately but he was outside and the shooter retreated inside where he did his killing. Had there been armed patrons inside, IMHO, the loss of life would have been much less. 9 out of 10 bad guys prefer unarmed victims.

From the police chief's account the Orlando PD utilized their training and acted with skill and absolute heroism yet the shooter was still able to kill 49 people. From the on scene off duty officer to the SWAT team that did the breaching to end the shooters life they did all they could to neutralize the threat while unarmed civilians inside had zero means to defend themselves. Just saying. Yet the left's response is to further disarm law abiding citizens.

Also mass shootings/killings are NOT just and American phenomenon brought about by our gun culture.
__________________
You can't polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter - eBay.uk ad for Freelander.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old June 13th, 2016, 09:47 AM
Nomar's Avatar
Nomar
Status: Offline
Jeff B
RR HNTR,RR LWB Tdi
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Central,Virginia
Posts: 4,288
Registry
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daddymow View Post
What is a shame is that weren't 2 or 3 ccw carrying in the club. A couple of sheep dogs in amongst the sheep to be slaughtered and tints would have probably turned out much different.

About The Pink Pistols Pink Pistols



.
__________________


Real Rovers have round headlights!
Rent my
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
!
Just a few miles from 4x4 access!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation
Go Back   Defender Source > Non-Technical Discussions > Misc. Chit-Chat

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
CT school shooting o2batsea Misc. Chit-Chat 149 January 4th, 2013 01:32 AM
2.5 td Oil Leak/Trouble shooting - Please help gonzanc Defender Technical Discussions 21 December 31st, 2012 11:30 AM
Oregon Shooting The Dro Misc. Chit-Chat 118 December 14th, 2012 01:02 PM
Trouble shooting an electrical short. Baldewin Defender Technical Discussions 8 August 12th, 2012 09:03 PM
NOVA Rovah Shooting Event 26-27 March Wolf Fabrication Trips, Trails and Events 12 March 17th, 2011 11:11 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:52 AM.


Copyright