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Old December 8th, 2015, 05:01 PM
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New Federal Regs re Low-Volume Kit Cars

New Legislation Could Make Way For Replica Mustang Sales
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Old December 8th, 2015, 05:18 PM
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Well thats interesting.

Now people can build defenders as a manufacturer or does it only apply to US Spec vehicles?
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Old December 8th, 2015, 05:29 PM
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If it's a job stimulant then I would assume it would be much more effective if the landscape was open to all qualified vehicles. Cuts out the middle step of importing a POS to get papers for US title purposes. Not for the purists. But it will bring the Defender entry price point down. Probably not good news for high-dollar Euro restorations shops. They can source parts though.
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Interesting..Needs to have a current year epa compliant engine...
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Old December 8th, 2015, 05:36 PM
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Transit 3.2 Auto with LT230 modification....
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Old December 8th, 2015, 05:38 PM
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read the article..it's subject to:
A replica vehicle is a vehicle that resembles the body of another motor vehicle produced at least 25 years ago. The vehicle is subject to a license agreement for the intellectual property rights for the replicated vehicle from the original manufacturer, its successor/assignee or the current owner of the replicated vehicle’s intellectual property rights.

If Land Rover is going after shops using the name in thier business name, do you really think they are going to let this happen…
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Transit 3.2 Auto with LT230 modification....
Ha! Time to start leveraging from our own junk yards for a change.
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I've been tracking this bill since its introduction in the House earlier this year. Don't get your hopes up just yet though, it still has a lot of obstacles to overcome.
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They're going to make new DeLoreans.

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I built a Shelby Cobra replica on a Mustang frame, engine and Jaguar components. Great fun.

New Jersey didn't require emissions only lights, turn signals and a horn to title it. Surprisingly easy.

Hope this moves forward.
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Obama signed this into law last year. The issue with the law as it pertains to Defenders is that Land Rover did not abandon the design "@ least 10 years prior" as required by the law. That is a requirement if you cannot get a letter granting permission from the original manufacturer, which I think would be a an impossibility. We have been spending time and energy noodling a path forward.
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Obama signed this into law last year. The issue with the law as it pertains to Defenders is that Land Rover did not abandon the design "@ least 10 years prior" as required by the law. That is a requirement if you cannot get a letter granting permission from the original manufacturer, which I think would be a an impossibility. We have been spending time and energy noodling a path forward.
Ok so we go for a series build with coil springs, LS1, heater and air conditioning.
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Ok so we go for a series build with coil springs, LS1, heater and air conditioning.
Ill take one please!...
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Obama signed this into law last year. The issue with the law as it pertains to Defenders is that Land Rover did not abandon the design "@ least 10 years prior" as required by the law. That is a requirement if you cannot get a letter granting permission from the original manufacturer, which I think would be a an impossibility. We have been spending time and energy noodling a path forward.
I haven't read anything about this law and your comment about abandoning the design for 10 years sounds awesome. So it's design not designation? Because LR 110s predate LR Defenders, but if it's a design thing how far back are they going? Each name change? all the way to the beginning?
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Probably shouldn't have said anything. It's best you guys read the law as signed and draw your own conclusions and proceed accordingly.
I will say there is a bit to be learned by reading the law as signed and not the journalists "cliff note" paragraph long interpretations.

Engine has to be an EPA approved setup which pretty much leaves the only out of box option as LS power. This is a crash testing etc/DOT loop hole, not an EPA loop hole. Perhaps other manufacturers will see this as an opportunity and offer complete EPA approved retrofit crate packages.
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Interesting..Needs to have a current year epa compliant engine...
Shit - was thinking a IH Scout 2, galvy frame, and a IH 7.3 would be the treats.

Maybe a first Gen Blazer with the 2.4 that is going into the Colorado.

And of course I wouldn't toss out a Series with LS
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Shit - was thinking a IH Scout 2, galvy frame, and a IH 7.3 would be the treats.

Maybe a first Gen Blazer with the 2.4 that is going into the Colorado.

And of course I wouldn't toss out a Series with LS
How is this any different then getting a rotted series truck for $500 and building it up with all new components? Then there is no BS, no worry of approval, etc, you could use whatever year motor.
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How is this any different then getting a rotted series truck for $500 and building it up with all new components? Then there is no BS, no worry of approval, etc, you could use whatever year motor.
The ability to order a turn key vehicle maybe? The opportunity to start a business making small run vehicles?
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How is this any different then getting a rotted series truck for $500 and building it up with all new components? Then there is no BS, no worry of approval, etc, you could use whatever year motor.
Economies of scale - could do say 10 vehicles at a time. Once things like the frame (LS mounts and coil brackets) and bulkhead (AC) were figured out it would be a lot easier.

Although I am tempted by a 7.3 powered $500 Scout

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The ability to order a turn key vehicle maybe? The opportunity to start a business making small run vehicles?
This - I would guess easier to sell or buy one of these vehicles.
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