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Old April 14th, 2016, 07:19 AM
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I'm likely restarting an old thread, but my search skills are failing me, so here goes:

Any order of magnitude idea of how many of the approximately 7,054 NAS defenders are left?

Stolen from ECR's site: Approx. 525 Defender 110s, and 6,529 Defender 90s.
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Old April 14th, 2016, 07:53 AM
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Difficult to quantify. What's your guess? And what are your parameters? Non-salvaged? Still registered for on-road use? Original VINs still in use? There are a few that have been rebuilt and titled using state-issued VINs after being sold through auction because of title issues. There was a NAS110 a few years ago that had been "flooded" in Colorado and sold basically as parts because of the label they put on the title (can't remember the exact term used) but a dealer in GA bought it and tried to get it retitled using the original VIN and resell for a ton. Not sure how it worked out. Just showing how there can be many stories with these as they get older, and the sum of the parts vs. the VIN can tell different stories. There have been D90 to 110 builds for example, etc. just depends on your parameters.
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Old April 14th, 2016, 08:16 AM
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Difficult to quantify. What's your guess? And what are your parameters? Non-salvaged? Still registered for on-road use? Original VINs still in use? There are a few that have been rebuilt and titled using state-issued VINs after being sold through auction because of title issues. There was a NAS110 a few years ago that had been "flooded" in Colorado and sold basically as parts because of the label they put on the title (can't remember the exact term used) but a dealer in GA bought it and tried to get it retitled using the original VIN and resell for a ton. Not sure how it worked out. Just showing how there can be many stories with these as they get older, and the sum of the parts vs. the VIN can tell different stories. There have been D90 to 110 builds for example, etc. just depends on your parameters.
I suppose VIN nos still in service. I don't have any issues with salvage titles. Still kicking myself for not picking up the 110 that ECR sold a year or two ago. I actually thought of you when I wrote this thinking you must have quite a database going. Again, thinking order of magnitude, so a few oddball cases shouldn't have too much of an impact. Perhaps somebody with access to DMV records could help us out.
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Old April 14th, 2016, 08:24 AM
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I suppose VIN nos still in service. I don't have any issues with salvage titles. Still kicking myself for not picking up the 110 that ECR sold a year or two ago. I actually thought of you when I wrote this thinking you must have quite a database going. Again, thinking order of magnitude, so a few oddball cases shouldn't have too much of an impact. Perhaps somebody with access to DMV records could help us out.
Yeah it's just that you have to set your parameters before you can start quantifying. There was a 1997 beluga black D90 that came up a few years ago with less than 5k miles that had not been registered in over 10 years because it had just sat in an airplane hanger and driven around the airport. Yeah it's probably a small anomaly but they start to add up.
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Old April 14th, 2016, 08:34 AM
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Yeah it's just that you have to set your parameters before you can start quantifying. There was a 1997 beluga black D90 that came up a few years ago with less than 5k miles that had not been registered in over 10 years because it had just sat in an airplane hanger and driven around the airport. Yeah it's probably a small anomaly but they start to add up.
Fair enough. I saw an NAS here in Cairo a few years ago. We won't count that one. Let's go with VIN Numbers still in service (registered in the US). Where's CSI when we need them?
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Old April 14th, 2016, 08:59 AM
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Old April 14th, 2016, 02:13 PM
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Wrecked ones show up at insurance auctions every now and then. It's hard to say how many of those get rebuilt or parted out. There was a 94 NAS that was completely parted out in Portland a couple years ago. Kinda sad to see that happening. Hopefully most are still on the road or safely tucked away somewhere.
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Old April 14th, 2016, 02:26 PM
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Old April 14th, 2016, 02:36 PM
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Wrecked ones show up at insurance auctions every now and then. It's hard to say how many of those get rebuilt or parted out. There was a 94 NAS that was completely parted out in Portland a couple years ago. Kinda sad to see that happening. Hopefully most are still on the road or safely tucked away somewhere.
It probably retained the original VIN though. I agree that there must be a few that have been completely forgotten about, and maybe even turned in for cash for clunkers years ago, but for the most part even when they've "died" many still go on to live a second life.

Here's one example of one that's lived an interesting life. All pics are of the same truck in sequential order.

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2015 rebirth 2:
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Old April 14th, 2016, 02:52 PM
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That is some transformation! I'm partial to the red ST incarnation, but that's cool it's spirit was saved.
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It probably retained the original VIN though. I agree that there must be a few that have been completely forgotten about, and maybe even turned in for cash for clunkers years ago, but for the most part even when they've "died" many still go on to live a second life.

Here's one example of one that's lived an interesting life. All pics are of the same truck in sequential order.

2009 rebirth 1:





2013:





2015 rebirth 2:
Looks like the cage did it's job. How did the C piller top get ripped off without disturbing the cantrails?
Btw, I love that half cab top! I like the way it seals around the B piller.
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Looks like the cage did it's job. Btw, I love that half cab top! I like the way it seals around the B piller.
but the delivery driver didn't.
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Old April 14th, 2016, 03:49 PM
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Looks like the cage did it's job. How did the C piller top get ripped off without disturbing the cantrails?
Btw, I love that half cab top! I like the way it seals around the B piller.
The truck was strapped to the carrier (second pic 2013) and went into an overpass. Slight height miscalculation. So technically the cage didn't have to do anything.
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That's pretty scary stuff. So enclosed transport should be the only way to ship an ST...

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I bet the owner was like this.

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I'd be furious!
That explains how the cross bars were sheared off...
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I'd be furious! That explains how the cross bars were sheared off...
I wish I could have been a passenger in that tow truck just to witness the expression.
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Don't mean to hijack the topic but the grill on the blue 110 is a heritage grill right? Where did you get it? Been trying to get my hands on one for a while.
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Old April 15th, 2016, 02:25 PM
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Don't mean to hijack the topic but the grill on the blue 110 is a heritage grill right? Where did you get it? Been trying to get my hands on one for a while.
It looks like this one: https://www.seriesdefender.com/grille/front-grille.html
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Don't mean to hijack the topic but the grill on the blue 110 is a heritage grill right? Where did you get it? Been trying to get my hands on one for a while.
They're all over the place. Did you search advanced here in the parts section for heritage? There's even this one still for sale with the cut-out.

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ill-69823.html
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Hopefully there are about 6 1995 NAS Coniston Green Wagons left....

I'll start the bidding at 65......do i hear 70...
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