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Old May 5th, 2016, 07:34 AM
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This has been a fun read. It also made me think it might be fun if there was a poll for folks to participate in that estimated the overall investment (original purchase price + improvements and major repairs in excess of 10% of original purchase price) they have in NAS vs ROW.
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Old May 5th, 2016, 11:20 AM
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^^^ Good questions... I'd like to see that, too.
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Old May 6th, 2016, 03:03 PM
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Not mine, but now on eBay $119,999.00

1995 Land Rover Defender 2dr Convertible 1995 Land Rover Defender 90 D90 Open Top / Hard Top Manual Red Only15,409 Miles



US $119,999.00 sounds about right


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Old May 6th, 2016, 03:29 PM
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This has been a fun read. It also made me think it might be fun if there was a poll for folks to participate in that estimated the overall investment (original purchase price + improvements and major repairs in excess of 10% of original purchase price) they have in NAS vs ROW.
Considering NAS trucks are just about 20+ years old at this point, this wouldn't really apply like it would 10-15 years ago.

NAS, ROW, and UK trucks all use the same crap parts components, so you have to narrow it down to how well the PO has treated it and kept up on services.

CKD trucks have a potential to be better as they were available with different motors and potentially assembled to a decent standard.

For the record, I have about the same into this 110 which is pretty much rust free, as my dad did into his 1995 NAS 90 in 2009 which was the cheapest you could ever get NAS truck for from what I have seen. And that one needed a new X-Member and I hear the transmission let go a few months later. To me a NAS truck is not worth any sort of premium, I also much prefer my 110 to that 90.
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Old May 6th, 2016, 03:34 PM
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Clean NAS 90 VIN =$15k+ in todays market.. bonus if there is anything useable bolted to it.
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Old May 6th, 2016, 03:49 PM
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If you look at sold listings on eBay it's a little different picture. One sold in March for $26,500. I think it's only the nicest lowest mileage ones that could fetch a really high price. That's the same for any high demand vehicle. E30 M3s are like that too.
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Old May 6th, 2016, 07:39 PM
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This guy in town was selling his NAS 95 red ST four years ago. It was in great shape, and he was hoping to get $15,000 for it. He called me to follow up and said he could go as low as $13,500 but that was it. Why didn't I just get that one to have it... ugh.
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This guy in town was selling his NAS 95 red ST four years ago. It was in great shape, and he was hoping to get $15,000 for it. He called me to follow up and said he could go as low as $13,500 but that was it. Why didn't I just get that one to have it... ugh.
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I'm just happy to have a toy to play with that isn't depreciating. Worth it's weight in gold.
Excellent thread with some very well thought out opinions. For myself, I totally agree with the above thought. I will/would be more than happy just to get my money back at the end of the game; and I consider the upkeep, insurance, and licensing as the going yearly rate to enjoy these great trucks!
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Agreed! Depreciation gets under my skin. Lessens the enjoyment for me. I never had any intention of selling my 90 when I bought it. Figured myself lucky to find one in good shape. The mileage wasn't a concern as I intended to drive it forever, so no looking back. Put on 800 miles on day one! It's just nice to know that it holds its value and is only getting newer as I slowly fix her up.
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Old May 9th, 2016, 02:08 PM
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Agreed! Depreciation gets under my skin. Lessens the enjoyment for me. I never had any intention of selling my 90 when I bought it. Figured myself lucky to find one in good shape. The mileage wasn't a concern as I intended to drive it forever, so no looking back. Put on 800 miles on day one! It's just nice to know that it holds its value and is only getting newer as I slowly fix her up.
I'm kindof in the same boat. I just feel lucky and grateful to own a clean defender. I'm pretty sure I'd sell investment properties and other assets before i sold the d90...

But, if the bubble is about to pop as some think, maybe I'll start looking for a ST... because 2 is one and one is (sometimes) none!
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Old May 9th, 2016, 05:17 PM
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When I say the bubble is about to pop I think that we are at the height of the prices. They will probably never be cheap. A lot of trucks are listed at high prices, but what are they really selling for? We are 3 years away from being able to import 94 Defenders, all of a sudden there are newer Defenders being imported than the NAS models and the special trucks are the STs.

What happens when the new Defender is introduced? I think that will change prices a little bit. All of a sudden you can get a comfortable and cool new "Defender" and not a 20 year old British tractor. I've watched the market for a long time, owned a lot of Rovers, never a Defender, so I have no dog in the fight either. Alls Im saying is that if these trucks are purchased for investments, now is a good time to sell. Just my opinion.
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Old May 9th, 2016, 05:46 PM
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The classic car market is at an all time high right now and there is no peak in site. The only thing that is going to level it off and make it go down is if the market as a whole crashes.

As for value being affected by the new defender, that is like saying the vintage 911 market will be affected by new 911s. NAS truck values are based on rarity and collectibility.

I do think the tarted up market will dive with the new defender coming out. People who want to spend 100k on a truck with leather, and creature comforts will soon be able to from the factory without all the headache of the makers of these style trucks. They will get a new truck with a warranty that will wear off at the same time as the novelty.

Notice there is no market for vintage G wagons tarted up to be like new ones. All Land Rover has to do is get the general shape right with the range rover options in at least one trim and they will sell to all those guys.

Also it's hard to see but I would love to see how people do with resale on the these Arkonik,ECD, HImalaya trucks.
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1995 Land Rover Defender 2dr Convertible 1995 Land Rover Defender 90 D90 Open Top / Hard Top Manual Red Only15,409 Miles



US $119,999.00 sounds about right


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If this is the one I know about, they just bought it for substantially less than what they are asking now. I have seen this one up close and there is something weird about it, can't put my finger on it, but something was off. Others that looked at it too, thought something was off about it.

Edit: checked the VIN and confirmed this is the one.
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I don't think when '94's will be importable that it will have any effect on the NAS market. Maybe in 2023 when TD5's can come across? But... you also have to note that most of the TD5's will be RHD and that there could be an increase in demand as the classic Defender was last produced 7 years prior for these countries as well.

I agree with Barry that when the new Defender comes out the tarted up ones can be hit hard. But if you think about it if LR gets the new Defender just right (exterior shape, off road ability, price, interior, soft top capable, seating for 5 or more) then there easily could be a drop in price of classic Defenders all around.
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What I want to know is how many of these Defenders are actually selling? We all know anyone can and will ask whatever they want for their truck, but it takes a very particular and special buyer to be willing to drop $50,000 + on a rusted 20+ year old truck. I think the market is being driven by a lot of here-say and talk and not by a lot of actual sales. Even if people are listing at $50k my guess would be that if they are selling its for a fair amount less (and this is for trucks in average condition, I know there are the rare time capsules that would be an exception).
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My friend just sold his 1995 red D90 ST with around 16k miles on it for $75,000 as one data point.
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My friend just sold his 1995 red D90 ST with around 16k miles on it for $75,000 as one data point.
I would put trucks with this mileage in a different category. What I'm talking about are all these listings I'm seeing for average trucks with insane price tags. Are those trucks selling?
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Old May 10th, 2016, 12:46 AM
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My friend just sold his 1995 red D90 ST with around 16k miles on it for $75,000 as one data point.
Any chance it's the one currently listed on EBay for $120k? Sounds similar based on color, mileage and year.
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I would put trucks with this mileage in a different category. What I'm talking about are all these listings I'm seeing for average trucks with insane price tags. Are those trucks selling?
A few that I know of in the past 6mos I'm happy to share. 97ST 100k, no rust $75. 95ST 150k, no rust $35k. 94ST 110k, no rust, $35k.

These prices were all very close to asking prices.
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