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Old September 28th, 2015, 07:48 PM
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Kind of new here. I have been spending a lot of time educating myself on Defenders since I am looking for one. Aside from being the newest legal vehicles in the US, why are NAS vehicles so desirable?
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Old September 28th, 2015, 08:06 PM
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They are factory built, not modified to be LHD or auto. They are often well taken care of with low miles. And as far as I know, they can be easily titled in all 50 states.
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Old September 28th, 2015, 08:07 PM
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Many others will add to this list of attributes that contribute to their value: Limited badged editions (rare compared to global production) already LHD, roll cages, legally registered in all 50 states, etc.
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Old September 28th, 2015, 08:21 PM
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Kind of new here. I have been spending a lot of time educating myself on Defenders since I am looking for one. Aside from being the newest legal vehicles in the US, why are NAS vehicles so desirable?
rarity value and the fact that later ones are available with slush boxes ... which appeals to the less capable drivers! ;-)
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Old September 28th, 2015, 08:23 PM
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rarity value and the fact that later ones are available with slush boxes ... which appeals to the less capable drivers! ;-)
Hahaha! Ouch ;-)
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Old September 28th, 2015, 08:59 PM
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because they are legal and generally havent been used as a farm implement
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Old September 28th, 2015, 10:00 PM
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Old September 29th, 2015, 12:12 PM
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Ok, thanks all. So basically:

- There is a better chance that they were better cared for (I assume because they were purchased by more affluent buyers who don't mind paying a dealer for scheduled maintenance).
- There is a better chance that they were not used for work duty since they were purchased at a North American Land Rover dealer (i.e. they are not Ford F-150s).
- There is a 0% chance that they will be subject to seizure by the federal government and are easily titled in all 50 states.
- Since they are limited in number, they are more desirable.
- They were sold with factory installed roll bars (and other NA safety features?).
- 1997 models were available with automatic transmissions.

North American models have the same frames, so they too rust - correct? They also have V8 petrol engines which from what I can tell are not as reliable/desirable as a 200/300 tdi and it seems that converting a NAS is a big no-no.

Seems that the import "issue" is the only one of these points that can make it a better truck in that it cannot be take away from you. Roll bars can be added, you can fit an automatic if that is your thing, and you can find well cared for vehicles that have been used for recreational or light commercial purposes across the globe.

I get the whole rarity thing. I have a classic car which is fairly hard to come by in its originality and configuration.

I think that I am leaning for towards an import. I think that it fits my budget and use a little better than a NAS. I like to customize and improve a lot of things that I own. Paying a premium for a NAS and then changing it up seems like a bad idea. Thanks all for your input.
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Old September 29th, 2015, 12:35 PM
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Michael, I will add IMO there are some very strong original ROW(rest of world) "Defenders" available if that's your thing. They take some time and patience and maybe some help finding though cause fortunately we cant throw a rock and hit 50 of then on ebay and auto trader .

I personally think the solid original unmolested ROWs out there will appreciate well and should pay for themselves over time. Personal choice/taste is a factor as well in ROI. Guys should be good if you keep things simple and true to the original workhorse and think twice about investing in diamond quilted interiors.
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Old September 29th, 2015, 01:12 PM
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Michael, I will add IMO there are some very strong original ROW(rest of world) "Defenders" available if that's your thing. I personally think the solid original unmolested ROWs out there will appreciate well and should pay for themselves over time. Personal choice/taste is a factor as well in ROI.
Absolutely! Many NAS were well loved and enjoyed long before their values were realized! Such as mine! I see ROW imports from Germany, Spain, and Italy all the time that are way nicer! Lots of 110's that were used for pavement passages only! Very cherry! 90's too, although less frequent. And ROW SW 90's can be adapted to look nearly identical to NAS (if that's your thing) with available parts. The ST's are the only tricky truck to replicate as the cages were rubberized, molds destroyed, and NLA. Underneath, the cage is identical to the ones available from aftermarket vendors, but cosmetically they aren't as robust looking. Just FYI.
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Old September 29th, 2015, 01:18 PM
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The ST's are the only tricky truck to replicate as the cages were rubberized, molds destroyed, and NLA. Underneath, the cage is identical to the ones available from aftermarket vendors, but cosmetically they aren't as robust looking. Just FYI.
I have noticed the bare cages - I actually don't like the rubber look. I was thinking that I could go Wrangler style and have a fabricator make a zippered fabric sleeve with foam padding.
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Old September 29th, 2015, 01:18 PM
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Then there is always the fact that NAS owners do not want to part with their trucks! So that diminishes and already very small pool.
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Old September 29th, 2015, 03:52 PM
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Old September 29th, 2015, 05:59 PM
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I have noticed the bare cages - I actually don't like the rubber look. I was thinking that I could go Wrangler style and have a fabricator make a zippered fabric sleeve with foam padding.
Go for it! If it turns out nice you can sell the template to people looking to do the same! RN makes a cover kit for the ST cages, but that is based in the OD of the rubberized bars and thus too big for clean tubes. Someone industrious one day may start bending oval pipe and have a stronger and harder replica of the ST cage. But until that day comes, we still have some awesome stock and custom opportunities from big vendors and cottage industries such as:
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Old September 29th, 2015, 07:17 PM
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Go for it! If it turns out nice you can sell the template to people looking to do the same! RN makes a cover kit for the ST cages, but that is based in the OD of the rubberized bars and thus too big for clean tubes. Someone industrious one day may start bending oval pipe and have a stronger and harder replica of the ST cage. But until that day comes, we still have some awesome stock and custom opportunities from big vendors and cottage industries such as:

Been done

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Old September 29th, 2015, 07:21 PM
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Yes!! That's where it was! I remember seeing that a few years back! Love it! Gratzie
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Old September 29th, 2015, 07:46 PM
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Safety Devices sells different products for ROW's
This one is not welded to the frame though, only bolted.
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Old September 29th, 2015, 08:10 PM
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Safety Devices sells different products for ROW's
This one is not welded to the frame though, only bolted.

What do you mean?

Safety Device Cage for NAS it is also bolted, and may I add, very flimsy brackets, the P&P Cage has beefier brackets

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Then there is always the fact that NAS owners do not want to part with their trucks! So that diminishes and already very small pool.
NAS owner's won't sell?. I have sold the 4 I have owned, NAS trucks are nothing but the Owner's State of Mind, and let's not forget stopping for fuel every 180 miles on your trip
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Old September 29th, 2015, 08:19 PM
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NAS owner's won't sell?. I have sold the 4 I have owned, NAS trucks are nothing but the Owner's State of Mind, and let's not forget stopping for fuel every 180 miles on your trip
Correction, 200 miles. Yup, I live dangerously!
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