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Old November 25th, 2015, 09:19 AM
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wow.. that sucks. After reading all this I would like to give my honest opinion.

I guess Mike could have sent more honest pics regarding the rusty piece. And he could have explained that an original headliner almost never is 100% straight and could be a bit saggy as it is 30 years old.. But buyer could have taken a ticket for a few hundred bucks and fly over to see the truck first handed and discuss everything. and then communication fails. Hope they can work this out without spilling more negative shit.

On the ROW market I would like to say this; As a seller based in Europe I think it is not right to just say " ROW Defenders suck" or " all European sellers sell crap" .
I personally have sold a lot of Defenders to the US, and a few to boardmembers aswell. I always try to be as accurate as I can be, but bear in mind we do not have a glass ball .I have not heared of any issues except with one guy, which who I am clearely not on the same line with. Most communications depend on how people react, and what they expect for what money..

Out of own experiences I can tell you that as good as all Defenders elegible for US market mechanicly suck. big time. Nobody out there gives cars service or what ever. many trucks have a faulty identity or have been changed big time
I myself am working with a Land Rover specialist and he does what I tell him to do. I then describe that in my ads. not done? not in the ad. is there rust? in the ad. I always ask prospective buyers to call me, or give me their number so I can tell everything about the truck. and if they like about me. Everybody is welcome to come over to have a look, testdrive or what ever. no secrets here.

And I know Mike does the same thing.
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Old November 25th, 2015, 09:38 AM
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I have not heared of any issues except with one guy, which who I am clearely not on the same line with.
And he could just as easily start a smear thread and you'd be lumped in the same boat and subjected to the masses.
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Old November 25th, 2015, 09:57 AM
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And he could just as easily start a smear thread and you'd be lumped in the same boat and subjected to the masses.
Risks and reality of all used car salesman, right? Nobody's perfect so the way one manages controversy will typically determine how far and wide news travels. In this case it appears the buyer is more passionate about getting things right than the seller is. It's simple. Anyone selling used cars as a business here should think ahead and budget for mistakes and miscommunication or risk them being disclosed to the community for others to individually make judgment on. Professionals are typically held to higher standards than their clients and that's what help commerce stay on the straight and narrow. Obviously the good thing is this isn't a court of law so Riverhouse still has choices. He can ignore and deflect disappointed customers or try harder next time if he feels that's a better long term approach/solution.
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Old November 25th, 2015, 01:15 PM
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Bull shit.

I have yet to see a single import truck advertised on this site that has a rebuilt transmission and tcase and major engine overhaul. People consistently buy flashy pieces of shit for $35k-50k on this site and have their vehicles shit the bed a few months later if not within the first week. There was a 110 5 door recently that a bunch of folks ogled over that sold for $35k. Comments on how great the paint looked. There was overspray EVERYWHERE! !! I'd wager 50 bucks I know the sound that truck's transmission makes.

If you pay for a shiny turd and don't have it refurbished mechanically then you are at fault.

The air con hoses are pretty ghetto for the price in this case and the body matched flares paint chipping. I can't tell about the leak from the pics but I know the shipping/processing company pressure washed the shit out of my truck so maybe it somehow got fudged? I can't imagine a torn down and reassembled truck would leak that way considering my truck is 30+ years on original roof rubber seals and it doesn't leak.

The stance that the masses are taking of "this truck has shiny paint therefore every piece on the truck must be new" is ridiculous, though.
I agree with this.

Most ROW vehicles are in poor mechanical shape. I always sort the mechanics first, then the frame and firewall, if there is money left in my pot i do the body. I work with a US restorer, I get the vehicles, service them and send them to him, and the restoration gets done state side. This way the customers can view their vehicles as they are completed. I'm sure other European dealers are working in similar ways.
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