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Old November 4th, 2012, 12:10 AM
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Perfect thanks a million.... Now I just need to see if sears has any power yet....
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Old November 4th, 2012, 01:02 AM
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Thix is a screen shot of the computer page that lets you manage the immobizer. Zfound thos by googling). Worth looking in to.
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Old November 4th, 2012, 06:35 AM
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Try this.... on the injectors, there is a banjo bolt on the side of them. Make sure they aren't loose.... if they are snug them up (dont over tighten).

Then try
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Old November 4th, 2012, 08:24 AM
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Tom nailed it.
Immobilizer. It will let the engine spin but not start. The AS10 unit is behind the right hand under dash speaker. Remove the speaker and pull the AS 10 out. Unplug it and let it sit for a while. When you plug it back in the truck should start. To fix it there are one or two (getting old and can't remember)batteries, replace those. If your truck has central locking or power windows you have probably lost those as well and they wll work again once the AS10 unlocks.

You don't need nanocom to unlock this and get your truck rolling again.
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Old November 4th, 2012, 09:03 AM
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If it won't spin, test the starter by jumping across the solenoid with the suggested remote starter or a heavy piece of wire (I've even used a Leatherman). That bypasses everything else in the starter circuit. If it still won't crank then the starter is gone. Make sure the truck is in neutral and the handbrake is on when you do this.
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Old November 4th, 2012, 09:48 AM
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alright i will do some testing on the starter today....

also as far as the 10as alarm.......are you talking about the green box thats directly behind my guage cluster.....behind the steering wheel?

if i pop that box open there are batteries in there? what type of batteries do i need?

this wont make the ECU freak out will it?

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Old November 4th, 2012, 11:06 AM
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im at work now so i will work on all this tomarow and see how it goes......

the little red light is on like normal when i get in and the immobilizer light (the engine with the lightning bolt on it) doesnt light up....like normal...

my key fob is brand new....everything on the dash seems normal like it always does.......

when i turn the key to position 2 everything seems normal...i hear the fuel pump whine for like 2 seconds like normal.......i go and turn to position 3 and there is no noise.....not even a starter click.....

the battery looks clean, no corrosion.......i will look under the passenger seat where the relays are but last time i looked it was clean enough to eat off........

of course having no phones, no internet and no electric @ home is not making this any easier....
When you say the key fob is brand new. Was it programmed to work with the ECU? You can't start the truck unless the Fob is near the steering Column and has a good battery in it.
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Old November 4th, 2012, 11:34 AM
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Yes the fob is programmed for my ecu.

When the fob isn't working an engine immobilized light comes on the dash.
That is not happening. Everything seems normal.
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Old November 4th, 2012, 11:49 AM
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My reading of his issue is that the starter is not turning over, not even a click. So at least based on what you are saying it doesn't seem to be the immobilizer to me.

I don't know anything about a td5, but your starter should have a heavy gauge wire to it with 12v constant when the ignition is on, and a smaller wire that should get 12v when you turn the key, which energizes the solenoid which kicks out the drive gear and simultaneously engages the starter motor. Take a multimeter and verify this. If you have the constant 12v but not the "exciter" 12v, use a screwdriver to short the two pins (ie send 12v to the exciter post, and it should engage the starter and the truck should start if everything else is ok. If you don't have voltage at all, then I'd check the main relays - on the firewall next to the brake pedal assembly.

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Immobilizer. It will let the engine spin but not start.
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Old November 4th, 2012, 12:02 PM
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Seems to turn over fine.
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My reading of his issue is that the starter is not turning over, not even a click.
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anyway i drove home no problem yesterday......get out of truck for about 3 minutes and go to restart the truck and it wont start....

turns over fine just will not fire.

i try until my battery dies and decide to leave it for about 2 hours.....
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Seems to turn over fine.
Read a few sentences down in the same post...

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i leave the jumper cables on for awhile and now there is NOTHING....glow plugs light up........fuel pump comes on all normal but when i turn the key there is nothing....no click....just nothing......
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Does anybody know the following:


Is there an access plate for the fuel pump on the tank on a 130?? There is a simple way to check the pump with a test light. Removing the tank sucks. Discos and 90's have a plate. 110's don't.
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Old November 4th, 2012, 12:23 PM
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Some Reading Material, in case you do not have this

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Old November 4th, 2012, 01:13 PM
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I know it sounds simple but.....

Can you push or pull start it ? My starter selinoid was stuck...
Had a good battery , like you even after charging it would do nothing...no noise...nada.
I then bought a new Bosch 100ah ...but i turned the key and again nothing would happen.

My buddy came with his truck ....used a strap and jump started it in reverse in less than 2 feet.



End of story.
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Old November 4th, 2012, 02:43 PM
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No access plate, it is a DIY job. I have an extra pump if he needs it, don't think it is his pump if it is making noise. I had an issue with the pump and if you can hear it making noise it means it is pumping but on its way out.

He says he can hear it so that means the pump is kicking in.

It could possibly be a bad battery connection?? My truck behaved similarly with a completely dead battery and made a clicking noise (which could be the same).


Apparently it takes very little power for the fuel pump to kick in.

I don't think it is the starter as I had that clicking noise (which I think is the same) in my 90 with a dead battery and Kelton said he recently replaced the starter.

He has multiple key fobs, which I am sure he tried. If it works to unlock the door the immobilizer should be disengaged (if it is within close proximity to the ignition).

The whole immobilizer could be screwy...I'm not sure how to test it and it seems unlikely. I know the ECU for the alarm is supposed to be under the right hand seat box.
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alright i will do some testing on the starter today....

also as far as the 10as alarm.......are you talking about the green box thats directly behind my guage cluster.....behind the steering wheel?

if i pop that box open there are batteries in there? what type of batteries do i need?

this wont make the ECU freak out will it?

thanks
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So your truck is lhd ? Correct that box is the alarm/immobilizer and has no impact on the engine ecu other than the immobilizer. Unlug it so that it unlocks, wait 5 mins and plug it back in. If your main battery is charged the truck should start. If its not turning over your problem isn't the 10as or as10. On my truck the unit failed and we soldered in a jumper to bypass the immobilizer.
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Old December 20th, 2012, 01:28 PM
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So did this get resolved? Curious what the issue was.
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Old December 20th, 2012, 03:55 PM
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ok this may be long. sorry.
im not a mechanic so if i say anything wrong then please dont hold this against me.

Long story short the ENTIRE problem was just the starter.

I had the starter replaced maybe 1 month before and things seemed fine at first.
i started hearing a clicking noise probably 2 days after the starter was installed and choose to ignore it (smart move i know)

anyway it started to get harder and harder to start. just took longer and longer turning it over before it would fire up.

then came the day it wouldnt start at all. i turned it over till i killed the battery.

after i charged the battery back up everything was dead.

the starter got jammed up to a point where it wasnt even making a click. i tried to jump the starter, i banged on it, got no response.

finally gave up and took it to land rover dealership down the road from me.

true or not this is what they told me:

starter was installed wrong, top bolt was stripped out and starter was on an angle. solenoid was shooting out and making contact with only like 2 teeth and destroyed the teeth on the solenoid to a point where it was barely making contact. at that point the flywheel was turning over but not fast enough to make the ECU shoot the fuel in to start the truck.......

so in the end everything is fine. ECU is good. Immobilizer is good. fuel pump is good. just needed a new starter installed right.

then land rover tells me they want to install only genuine land rover starter and the starter will cost some outrageous number 700 something!
so i looked around and bought a generic off this site

http://www.obbstartersandalternators...2n-p-2692.html

american made and so far so good and great price. fast shipping........

anyway everything has been perfect so far..........

thanks again for everyones insight. i definitely learned a few things.
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Old December 20th, 2012, 04:08 PM
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that sounds like a plausible diagnosis, although it seems to me, based on my experience, it would be really tough to install a starter wrong.
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Old December 20th, 2012, 04:23 PM
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thats what i though although they said there was grease on the bolt like he was having a hard time with it and then i guess never got it right.......but even if only the other two bolts where tight id think it would be fine.

either way i was happy when they told me only needed a new starter.....
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