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Old June 23rd, 2014, 02:24 PM
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M104 trailer with a 110

I'm considering buying an M104 trailer ( http://olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_pho...04_trailer.php ) to use as a general utility trailer. It would see general farm use, and my main on-road tow vehicle would be my 110. The 110 sits a bit higher than normal due to a small lift and slightly larger tires, so I guess that will help with lining up the pintle hook.

This trailer seems to be a bit bigger and heavier than the American M101 ( http://olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_pho...01_trailer.php ). Maybe more of you have experience with that trailer. Am I making a mistake thinking the 110 will pull this? I don't need to go super fast, but I am concerned about being able to safely stop.

Speaking of stopping, it seems that this trailer has a military-style air-over-hydraulic brake system. From what I understand, this means no trailer brakes unless I hook up an air line from the truck to the trailer. This air line would have to be pressurized when I apply brakes on the truck. I already have an electric brake controller on the truck, as well as a 5 gallon air tank and compressor, but it sounds like if I want brakes on the trailer I either need to convert the trailer to electric brakes, or somehow figure out a way to pressurize an air line when I brake the truck. Sounds like a "fun" project...
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 03:25 PM
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IMO they are too big for a Land Rover.
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 03:28 PM
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They are pretty big trailers. I think that's what RANEWMAN on the board here pulls behind his Disco and he says it does just fine. Don't know if he's pulled it yet with his 110, but then again his 110 is running the 2.5na diesel engine.
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 03:38 PM
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2700 pounds empty. Holy crap. You would want functioning brakes.
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 04:13 PM
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I have a M416, perfect for a run around, have not found a problem with no brakes yet
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 04:16 PM
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I have a M416, perfect for a run around, have not found a problem with no brakes yet
Are there any mountains in Galveston Island?
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 05:19 PM
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M416 is rated at 1/4 ton. If you keep the load at the trailer rating you shouldn't need brakes. A m104 is 11/2 ton rating, whole other ball game with out brakes.
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 05:58 PM
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Are there any mountains in Galveston Island?
Where I do use it to it fullest, yes its hilly. We haul fire wood and do water runs with two 45 gallon drums, hilly yes 7500feet hilly. Just don't get in my way

Our camp in NM called "póg mo thóin"
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 06:00 PM
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I have the 3/4 ton version, and yes the disco and the p38 handle it well. I wouldn't even think of putting it behind the 110...even with a TDI. That's one heavy b*#%h to be hauling around with no additional braking. Am might want to rethink is one sir.....just my 2c.
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 08:32 PM
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I went and looked at one tonight that luckily happened to be for sale just down the road.

Upsides:
- A lot of trailer for the money. Very solidly built.

Downsides:
- Very "solidly" built. Heavy.
- Lunette is too high to mount on the 110 without some serious cantilevering.
- Bed of trailer is very high off the ground for loading/unloading.

On the lunette height issue, just switching the lunette to the bottom of the bar instead of the top would bring it in line with about the bottom of my door which isn't too bad. Of course, switching out the axle lowers the height too and is an option, but it also costs extra money.

For a farm trailer, I think it's pretty good. It will spend most of the time behind a tractor or behind my 110 in low range around the farm. It's too heavy for long distances, but for trips to the dump or whatever, it will do fine. It's not mountainous here or even really very hilly, and I'll be on back roads most of the time with it so I don't really care if I'm not going fast.

Regarding brakes, I actually think it wouldn't even be that hard to plumb in the air brakes. Since they're air-actuated hydraulic brakes, they probably don't use THAT much air. I imagine my onboard compressor and 5 gallon tank would be able to handle them. A relay mounted to my brake wiring that activates an air valve should do the trick. Maybe a regulator to adjust air pressure based on trailer load might be a good addition too. At the very least it would make a fun winter project.

I may bid on one soon and my brother might too. If he or I get one, I'll try to do a followup post with my experiences with it and some photos.

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Old June 23rd, 2014, 08:41 PM
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This is mine in one of many configurations. I plan on ditching the hummer wheels/tires and putting d1/d2 wheels/tires on it some time soon. Would really suck to have a flat and not be able to get a spare...
Oh...and the Va State Police where not impressed with the converted 24v lights.
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 08:46 PM
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Nice. The one I looked at tonight had brand new Michelin XZLs on it. The guy said those tires are $1000 each ... if you can get them. I'm not sure they're that expensive, and I'm not a tractor trailer guy, but possibly there are used/recon tires out there that fit 20" rims and don't cost that much. Ultimately though, dropping down to 16" rims that fit my Land Rover bolt pattern would make more sense, like you say. Or at least 16" rims that fit on the trailer.
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 09:20 PM
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One recommendation.....Get a regular trailer tounge jack asap. The one thats on it it useless. That and you will need 4 guys and a hi lift if you ever need to lift it up....dont ask me how I know.
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 09:42 PM
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I would seriously research the GCWR of your tow vehicle. The GCWR is the maximum allowable combined weight of a towing vehicle, passengers and cargo in the tow vehicle, plus the weight of the trailer and cargo in the trailer. Having a super heavy duty trailer that you can put a full grown elephant in does you little good if you have a tow vehicle that can't safely handle it.
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My m416 is often used for a yard of soil or mulch.
Does fine on highway.
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