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NOS = Genuine parts that haven't been available for a length of time. Any part that is in stock with them but isn't available through Rover is essentially NOS.
To me.... When someone says "genuine" it means available directly from LR today. If it is NOS then it is a whole different story as you are buying from a hoarder. NOS suppliers are a special group.
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I read John's post with a French accent so they are all pretty funny.
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To me.... When someone says "genuine" it means available directly from LR today. If it is NOS then it is a whole different story as you are buying from a hoarder. NOS suppliers are a special group.
Genuine has nothing to do with if it is or isn't available today. Rather as defined is it a authentic Land Rover part be it still in production or NOS.
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Old March 25th, 2015, 10:09 PM
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I read John's post with a French accent so they are all pretty funny.
That is some funny shit.
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To me.... When someone says "genuine" it means available directly from LR today. If it is NOS then it is a whole different story as you are buying from a hoarder. NOS suppliers are a special group.

While I'm sure you can find NOS aftermarket parts, the NOS parts he was ordering were all supposedly genuine.

A Genuine part on our shelf is still Genuine, whether or not I can still source it from Land Rover.
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I read John's post with a French accent so they are all pretty funny.
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So have you ordered genuine parts from them, and had them come out of box/bag/without label?
I stopped dealing with LR Series for this very reason. Far too often I was ordering (and paying for) Genuine parts, and receiving parts in unmarked plastic bags. Were they Genuine? Aftermarket? Who knows, there was no way to tell. Granted, most of the stuff was small parts: seals, gaskets, bushings, brackets, etc. The last straw was a few months ago. I emailed them and made sure the Genuine part listed was available. "Yes, it is" was the reply. I ordered a couple of them, and received new production "Lucas" parts in the blue Britpart bags. I was pissed. I will say, they did accept a return, and I got a full refund.

Now I pretty much only use Brit-Car UK. Sure, once in a while a Genuine part arrives in an unmarked bag, but I'd say well over 90% of the Genuine parts I order from them arrive in Land Rover packaging.

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Thanks Mike, that essentially mirrors what I'm getting messaged about. It is not to say that every nut, bolt, and bushing will be packaged individually, as many come in packs of 5/10/50 etc.

I'm glad that the return worked out for you. I think the issue here is likely due to shipping size and weight.
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I have used them and occasionally they email back and say that a Genuine part is not available (even though it was listed on the website) and ask if I will accept a substitute. It does appear that for some parts they list they actually source from other Land Rover dealers in the areas. So they may not have realized what they were shipping if their supplier wasn't truthful (and the teenage kid doing the packing really didn't care). Like others have mentioned there is a difference between NOS and "Genuine". In the UK I have seen "Genuine" to mean anything that the local Land Rover parts counter sells and NOS to include 15 year old Britpart parts (15yr is old right?). But this dealer seems to be pretty upfront in my experience.
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At the risk of sounding like a dick, who the fuck needs genuine exhaust pipes? Really? Nobody would know since the stickers burn off after 1 minute of running.

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At the risk of sounding like a dick, who the fuck needs genuine exhaust pipes? Really? Nobody would know since the stickers burn off after 1 minute of running.

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I fill my tires with imported, genuine UK air. They ride more "factory like". It's well worth the cost.
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At the risk of sounding like a dick, who the fuck needs genuine exhaust pipes? Really? Nobody would know since the stickers burn off after 1 minute of running.

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I think you have to consider the user and the end-result desired in this situation. *If* you are talking about an extreme high-end restoration, then original parts is the key here. I.e. it does not seem that we are referring to some run-of-the-mill shade tree restoration.
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At the risk of sounding like a dick, who the fuck needs genuine exhaust pipes? Really? Nobody would know since the stickers burn off after 1 minute of running.

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The embossed logo on the mufflers is uber cool.

I understand the desire for a perfect genuine parts restoration, but I still would be amazed if these are parts that are findeable.
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I think you have to consider the user and the end-result desired in this situation. *If* you are talking about an extreme high-end restoration, then original parts is the key here. I.e. it does not seem that we are referring to some run-of-the-mill shade tree restoration.
I understand what your saying but I'm with Ren on this. Then again I drive my toys (when they aren't broken) so it would be wasted on me.

I do however think if they listed it as a original NOS part then that is what it should be as I'm sure he paid a hefty price for it.
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A restoration to that standard probably isn't going to be driven anyway, so the stickers could last for years. Especially if kept covered, and indoors in a low humidity environment, with only occasional dustings to keep it clean.
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I think you have to consider the user and the end-result desired in this situation. *If* you are talking about an extreme high-end restoration, then original parts is the key here. I.e. it does not seem that we are referring to some run-of-the-mill shade tree restoration.
True, but any restoration of any car to any degree uses non-genuine parts and it is acceptable. Paint is replaced. New seat covers are made. As examples. I would expect that nobody is going to expect a NOS genuine exhaust system to be in place. This is a "wear" items and at some point the supply is gone forever.
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True, but any restoration of any car to any degree uses non-genuine parts and it is acceptable. Paint is replaced. New seat covers are made. As examples. I would expect that nobody is going to expect a NOS genuine exhaust system to be in place. This is a "wear" items and at some point the supply is gone forever.
Good point on the embossed logo, though I have to wonder if they did that back when 2.6's were being sold. Of course one could bend up some pipe and put a Gen-you-whine muffler in there...

FWIW I bought a genuine parts NOS front pipe from Rovers North for $15 back in 1999 for my '60 109 with the swan neck manifold. It was a bit heavier wall than the typical stuff you see. But without the aluminizing coating.
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I have an endless supply of libtard hot air ...
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At the risk of sounding like a dick, who the fuck needs genuine exhaust pipes? Really? Nobody would know since the stickers burn off after 1 minute of running.

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Dave, I generally agree. Typically on those items he would be stuck getting aftermarket. He only purchased the items because they were listed as genuine, he would generally just get the aftermarket from us.

These are $100k+ Series Land Rovers, they're not wheeling trucks. If he can get genuine, he gets genuine.

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The embossed logo on the mufflers is uber cool.

I understand the desire for a perfect genuine parts restoration, but I still would be amazed if these are parts that are findeable.
Yes John, that's the point! They're not findable, so when he found them, he jumped on them. This is the issue we're dealing with.
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