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Old August 4th, 2006, 08:01 AM
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low sulfer diesel warning?

I was filling up the ambulance the other day and noticed a warning on the pump that said 2007 and later diesels are prohibited from useing the current diesel fuel. So what are they supposed to use?
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As I fill up our transport truck I often wonder the same thing.
Are they going to install 2 diesel pumps everwhere or ????
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Old August 4th, 2006, 11:20 AM
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A lot of stations already have the low sulpher diesel. The one where I always fill up does. The full compliance date is 10/06 for every station in the country to have only low sulpher diesel. By the time the 07 models are out, it shouldn't be any problem finding it and by October the regular #2 diesel will be gone completely.
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If you can find it, it's a good idea to use a blend of 5% biodiesel with the low-sulfur diesel to help with lubricity.
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is there any performance difference? Where the hell do I get biodiesel? I would like to get a kit to make my own some day but they are expensive as all hell...
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People say there's a slight difference in fuel economy because the biodiesel molecule only makes about 97% of the energy that a dino diesel molecule makes, but on the flip-side, biodiesel is usually cheaper too. Like I said, it's a good idea to do this if you can find biodiesel, if you can't, I'm sure there will be additives to help out with this in the engines that really need it (probably not too many). You can check here http://www.biodiesel.org/ to see if you can find a place that sells it near you. I've heard rumors that many fuel companies that supply the diesel might start using B5 anyway (5% biodiesel) but again, that's just a rumor that I heard...
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is there any performance difference? Where the hell do I get biodiesel? I would like to get a kit to make my own some day but they are expensive as all hell...
$3K is last I heard. I feel certain you can make your own for under $1000. You could always get a grant...Just about anybody can qualify themselves if they want to.
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jesse, where do I find info on the grant? I will look into it?
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I don't know anything about biodiesel but there is an additive for lubricity that can be had at any WalMart or through Amsoil. Anybody with a diesel engine should also be using Cetane boost which will improve miles per gallon and make your engine run cleaner. The diesel we get in this country has a relatively low Cetane rating (same as octane for gas) and will eventually clog up injectors, pumps, filters, etc. A cetane boost additive will prevent that (or significantly delay it). Can also be found at Walmart.
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Did you guys read the thing about Acetone in the diesel? AutoWeek had a thing on it... like octane boost.
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makes sense because Acetone is the main ingredient in most octane booster additives. And it should work with diesel also because it would make the explosion more powerful in the combustion chamber.
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jesse, where do I find info on the grant? I will look into it?
You should be able to check with a state agency and see if there are "Equip" funds (if you have anything to do with agriculture, or a friend that does, you should qualify) available. They'll take 50% of it. There's other state to state stuff too.
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Biodiesel

Adding just 0.2% biodiesel to your fuel will take care of any lubricity issues from the federally mandated lower sulfur. For most people that means adding about a cup of biodiesel (if that much) whenever you fill your tank.

Finding biodiesel is easy. Just visit the biodieselnow.com forums and look for the one that fits your state or region. There should be a thread locked the top listing places to obtain biodiesel in your area. The least expensive (and least hassle) is to find a local co-op.

Somewhere in these forums is a rather lengthy post of mine covering the issues related to running biodiesel.
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We're currently looking at making biodiesel from poultry litter and dairy manure. We just got $1mil. to do the research too (Thanks National Fish and Wildlife Foundation)!
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Adding just 0.2% biodiesel to your fuel will take care of any lubricity issues from the federally mandated lower sulfur. For most people that means adding about a cup of biodiesel (if that much) whenever you fill your tank.

Finding biodiesel is easy. Just visit the biodieselnow.com forums and look for the one that fits your state or region. There should be a thread locked the top listing places to obtain biodiesel in your area. The least expensive (and least hassle) is to find a local co-op.

Somewhere in these forums is a rather lengthy post of mine covering the issues related to running biodiesel.
True, you don't need 5% to get the lubricity, that's just one of the more common blends at the pumps though if you can find biodiesel near you. Great websites though, thanks!
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Soooo...if my 2.8 is 'bio- ready' am I good?
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Yup, just fill 'er up. International is actually the manufacturer that is closest to the fore-front with bio-diesel. Most of their engines are fully capable (and certified) to run B20 (20% biodiesel) at least and in all cases (the only exception being cold climates) will run just fine on B100. In other parts of the world, especially South America the biodiesel sectors of the International-MWM corporation are on the cutting edge and they fill all of their trucks with a biodiesel blend straight from the factory. Even Daimler-Chrysler has caught on here in the US and fills most of their diesels with B2 to B5 from the factory. It's catching on slow but sure.

*EDIT* Speaking of Chrysler and factory biodiesel... http://nbb.grassroots.com/FY06NewsReleases/CherokeeB5/
BTW, I noticed you're in the Phoenix area. The main problem with pure biodiesel is its high gel point. That becomes a problem in colder climates and that's the main reason they do the blends. In your area, most biodiesel suppliers will do near B100 (100% biodiesel) because you'll never have to worry about getting anywhere near the gel point of biodiesel. Here's an incomplete list of biodiesel vendors near you: http://biodiesel.org/buyingbiodiesel...tate.asp?st=AZ more searching will no doubt turn up more places that offer various blends.
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one more for the silly question catagory: Is mixing and matching going to be bad?
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not at all. both fuels are almost identical on the molecular level.
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