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Old September 8th, 2015, 04:30 PM
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Granted, Yahoo remains a joke for a news source, but the LR3 is on the home page for all the wrong reasons.
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Old September 8th, 2015, 05:01 PM
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LR3's are awesome and reliable. I don't know what's up their ass. If anyone wants a drive and forget car regarding maintenance, then they should get a Hyundai or Corolla and forget SUV's.
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Old September 8th, 2015, 05:01 PM
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Looks like some interesting data from the trade in quality index folks. According to their data, I am basically an idiot for trying to find a used LR3 to replace our Toyota Sequoia.
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Old September 8th, 2015, 05:03 PM
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I just looked it up as I wanted to know what issues they reported on the LR3. From what I've read on here and my BIL's experience with the LR4 it seems the LR3 is one of Land Rover's best built vehicles.

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Old September 8th, 2015, 05:05 PM
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Looks like some interesting data from the trade in quality index folks. According to their data, I am basically an idiot for trying to find a used LR3 to replace our Toyota Sequoia.

When you look holistically at the population as a whole, the majority of idiots (by any definition and measurement of the term) do not drive Rovers.

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I just looked it up as I wanted to know what issues they reported on the LR3. From what I've read on here and my BIL's experience with the LR4 it seems the LR3 is one of Land Rover's best built vehicles.

But when I dug into the article I found this ()

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Yeah, and compare that side-by-side to the most reliable in class. It's likely you'll find the difference between best and worst is wholesale insignificant from a consumers perspective.
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Old September 8th, 2015, 05:56 PM
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Unless of course, what you want is an LR3.

The stats are useless. Who cares where people trade something in. It happens for all sorts of reasons. More important is overall lifespan. And they don't differentiate between different generations of each vehicle

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Looks like some interesting data from the trade in quality index folks. According to their data, I am basically an idiot for trying to find a used LR3 to replace our Toyota Sequoia.
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Old September 8th, 2015, 09:26 PM
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LR3's are awesome and reliable. I don't know what's up their ass. If anyone wants a drive and forget car regarding maintenance, then they should get a Hyundai or Corolla and forget SUV's.
what like land cruisers 4 runners and suburbans (5.7) . rear diffs control arm bushings wiring alignments i bet there are 10x more of the aforementioned on the road than land rovers with half the maintenance to get there.

LR3's & 4'S are excellent by land rover standards, yes i am trying to talk myself out of the marque
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Old September 9th, 2015, 05:30 AM
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Id agree with them. If you are looking, look at a Tahoe and Exploder or Expedition as well. No real link from the LR3/4 to any of the older sold axle trucks. At that point its just another SUV.

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I bet folks back in 1983 said the same thing as the Series drifted to the abomination of coil springs. How ironic that now there is now a direct linkage from the S1 to the last Defender coming off the line.

Of course I'm biased b/c I have a coil spring solid axle truck and an LR3 too, and the linkage while not mechanical is there albeit a blend akin to the way that the Range Rover's of old incorporated technology into the platform.

In the end I look at it and say that the Rover line (Range or Land) provides significant out of the showroom offroading capability beyond any other major manufacturer comparatively. Tahoe, Exploders, Expeditions? The only thing that comes close in mass production is the LC, and of course there is the small #'s of GWagons but I don't count them given their population size. The fact that most owners never use them as intended isn't relevant, the capability is still there and the brand actually uses that (Trans-America Trail, recreating the GDE, etc). Links are where you find them.
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Old September 9th, 2015, 07:56 AM
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Campy news like this perpetuates the public perception of LRs in the second hand market. Good news for us at it makes the LR3 that much cheaper for us to acquire.
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Old September 9th, 2015, 08:41 AM
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I bought a used LR3 to replace my wife's BMW. I knew going into it what its drawbacks were. Compared against my past experience of vehicles this has been one of my favorites besides my Dad's 2003 V8 4Runner with Full Time 4WD

All my favorite vehicles were always considered "unreliable" anyway.
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Old September 9th, 2015, 10:28 AM
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No, not really, the RR had been out for 10 yrs at that point, and teh One Ten was blending the two. People did turn their nose at the Disco1, but that was more out of snobbery/assholeness than anything.

As for capable, Tahoes, Exploders, Expeditions are capable as well, but you just dont seem them in a non grocery-getter roll. Hell, throw in the X5 and Q7 and 4runner while we are at it. Point being, there are alot of decent choices out there these days. No reason to limit it to Rover.

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You still get a lot of 'real rovers have...' (leaf springs, metal dashes, whatever) that I think sub-brand loyalty thing-it manifests itself here all the time. That at least keeps it enjoyable of course.

The D1 certainly shook things up, and is also arguably the main reason the brand didn't fade into obscurity and irrelevance too. Numbers wise the D wouldn't carry the day, and while there is the nostalgia bump right now what is carrying JLR to record sales is the RRS & other models.

I've seen Exploders and an Expedition on a trail before, the Expedition held its own but was gigantic and got bogged down quite a bit but what do you expect from something the size of a school bus. The Explorer isn't worth talking about, and neither could compete out of the box with a stock D3/D4.

I do agree there is no reason to limit it to a Rover if you're looking at things purely from a series of weighted variables perspective-but I don't agree that the D3/D4 have drifted so far from the roots of Land Rover as to be equivalent to a starbucks cruising Sequoia. Hell if that's where the world is, just get a minivan and succumb to the slow death that is inevitable!
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Old September 9th, 2015, 10:54 AM
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I've only seen an explorer off road once. It was in Moab on J**p safari trail ride (my pre-rover days), and the explorer was on side of flat trail, tits up with right rear tire face down on ground with axle still on it pointing to God as if begging for help and divine intervention.

Amazing how lasting first impressions can be.
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... have a buddy who's a mechanic and he loves those Crown Vics - owns 2 of them.. he's gotta see that lol
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That's awesome! Loved getting those as rental cars! Street legal sofas! The Marauder was Bad A$$!
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Old September 9th, 2015, 09:43 PM
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I work with a guy that has a newer Crown Vic police interceptor acquired from the Texas State Highway Patrol.
It came with the Triton V10.

His brother buys them up in bulk cheap and fixes them up for taxi cab fleets.
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Old September 9th, 2015, 10:47 PM
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I work with a guy that has a newer Crown Vic police interceptor acquired from the Texas State Highway Patrol.
It came with the Triton V10.

His brother buys them up in bulk cheap and fixes them up for taxi cab fleets.
Nothing says "airport and step on it!" Like a petrol V10. You're making that flight!
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Nothing says "airport and step on it!" Like a petrol V10. You're making that flight!
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Nothing says "airport and step on it!" Like a petrol V10. You're making that flight!
That's funny considering we both work at the airport.
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I work with a guy that has a newer Crown Vic police interceptor acquired from the Texas State Highway Patrol.
It came with the Triton V10.

His brother buys them up in bulk cheap and fixes them up for taxi cab fleets.
...so we talk about cars of our youth and lots of them are Dodge, you bring up fleet cop cars and this is where my mind goes... figures.

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...so we talk about cars of our youth and lots of them are Dodge, you bring up fleet cop cars and this is where my mind goes... figures.
I was going to bring that up, but then I restrained myself.

That movie is classic.
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