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Old March 19th, 2012, 04:31 PM
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Land Rover kills driver on his way to propose to girlfriend

I don't know if anyone has seen this yet, but it looks like a man named Adam Goodsell from Salt Lake City, UT was on his way from picking up an engagement ring last week, when his Land Rover malfunctioned - in his call to 911 a moment before the crash he says his brakes weren't working and his accelerator was stuck down. From the photos, it looks like a Land Rover Discovery II by the wheels. Really sad news. Not sure if there's a way to know that they'll malfunction, but if you have a similar system and there's a way to check, you may want to do so.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...ter-crash.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1046888
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Old March 19th, 2012, 04:40 PM
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I never understand these kind of incidents. Calling 911 would come far behind actually trying things to rectify the situation or putting my seatbelt on (although mine would already be on). But if my brakes went out I'd try things like drop it into a lower gear and apply the hand brake, or just shut the vehicle off. Of course he could have tried all these things before calling 911, but why no seatbelt?
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Old March 19th, 2012, 04:41 PM
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Um...

"The man was not wearing a seat belt when his vehicle left the roadway, ejecting him."

Quick note. If you gas pedal ever sticks do the following:
1 - Put the vehicle in Neutral
2 - PUT ON YOUR SEATBELT!

Sorry for the loos...but more sorry that this would have been totally avoidable.

They should teach a stuck pedal in drivers ed.

I would also bet that the brakes might have failed due to overheating from trying to brake against the racing engine.

My wife had a similar thing happen in our 97 Range Rover and she could not slow down...luckily she had a 60 miles of interstate to call me and have me help her. That engine had two throttle cables one for the pedal and one for the cruise. If the retaining clip broke on the pedal cable it would slack and fall out under the tension of the cruise cable...when it fell out, it jammed it at 3/4 throttle.

She now knows what to do...
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Old March 19th, 2012, 04:52 PM
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Actually, it looks like a Range Rover P38 based on the location of the gas cap door. I thought those wheels only came on the Borrego for the Range Rover P38 and more commonly on the Disco II.

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They should teach a stuck pedal in drivers ed.
Absolutely!! This would be way more useful than how many feet you're required to park away from a stop sign.

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I would also bet that the brakes might have failed due to overheating from trying to brake against the racing engine.
Definitely possible.

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Um...

My wife had a similar thing happen in our 97 Range Rover and she could not slow down...
Wow, so maybe it IS a Range Rover P38 thing - as I looked at the pic again, and flipped the photo and it immediately looked like a P38 instead of a Disco II.
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The throttle bodies on GEMS trucks (probably bosch too) get build up and stick (thanks emissions systems). Pretty sure cleaning them is in the recommended maintaince. I had this happen with some regularity on a 1996 DI. Just pop it into neutral and let it bounce off the rev limiter. BTW, no way his "brakes failed" as he probably could not brake enough to overcome the engine.

People should learn what to do when a throttle sticks. I know I was taught in drivers' ed.
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On our P38 it definitely was a mechanical failure of the cable retainer...I ended up zip-tying the cable and telling the wife to not use the cruise until the parts came. Thought is was a pretty serious design flaw...
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Old March 19th, 2012, 05:20 PM
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I thought this was an article about Brandy.
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Sad to hear.

Silly as it sounds I have thought of "worst case situations" with the 200tdi. The engine could run away with its own oil or the injection pump could get stuck/go fubar and the fuel stop solenoid could fail. The clutch pedal could stop working simultaneously. The only thing left to do would be to drop into neutral.

If the gearshift lever fails then I drop the LT230 into neutral. Failing that...well...
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what is wrong with turning the ignition off?
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turning the ignition off is a perfectly acceptable response, and could save the engine from blowing too. It's important to remember to just turn it one position so it doesn't lock the steering, or you could be worse off than before.

Of course, this would never happen to someone with a manual transmission, as first response in a panic is to depress the clutch.
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what is wrong with turning the ignition off?
wouldn’t the steering lock up?
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Only if you pull the key out.
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What a shame...and a tragic loss of life. Why can't people be taught to think through a situation. He could have changed gears, used the emergency brake, put the truck in neutral or turned the car off. All of which would have changed the outcome of his accident.

I am sure his family will sue, and Land Rover will pay for his lack of maintenance and ignorance. Why are we such a "It's not my fault" society?
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That's a terrible story. I would think that if the seatbelt had been used it would have turned out differently. Granted the front end is completely gone, but the front passenger window isn't even cracked. With airbags deployed the passenger compartment might have been safer than being ejected from it. In a Defender it probably wouldn't matter much
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what is wrong with turning the ignition off?
No power steering/brakes and mountain roads between Ogden and Salt Lake.

Neutral and you get power steering and brakes

And if you are a total idiot, you risk locking the steering if you pull the key out...
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Does his Land Rover actually kill him?
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The driver was most likely pressing the gas pedal to the floor the entire time, instead of the brake pedal. Don't you guys remeber that whole "unintended acceleration" nonsense back in 1987 that just about killed off Audi in this country?
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The driver was most likely pressing the gas pedal to the floor the entire time, instead of the brake pedal. Don't you guys remeber that whole "unintended acceleration" nonsense back in 1987 that just about killed off Audi in this country?

Doubt it...I have seen the issue with the 97 4.6...
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Gas pedal getting stuck on a Rover? Sure, no problem there. But brakes failing at the exact same time? Sounds exactly like a classic case of driver error. It used to happen a lot before shift lock devices were made mandatory.
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Sad but We may have a story here for the Darwin Award site.
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A friend of mine runs a land rover / range rover specialty repair shop. Based on his experience, they are capable of stopping anywhere, anytime, at any cost.

I don't know about the brakes, only their unreliability.
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