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Old May 28th, 2009, 12:22 PM
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Land Rover is $21 million in the hole...ouch!

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Old May 28th, 2009, 12:44 PM
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Im still amazed something like this hasnt happened with the oil cooler line issue.
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Old May 28th, 2009, 01:05 PM
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Stupid. Much like the hot coffee legal action IMO.
If you wanted a low/ ultra safe vehicle you shoulda bought a station wagon rather then the "keep up with the neighbors" SUV that you keep on tar 100% of the time.
More typical US "someone else is to blame" mentality. Grrrrrrrr.
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Old May 28th, 2009, 01:46 PM
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That is the biggest load of sh!t for what occurs naturally in high speed rollovers. I'd like to know what kind of judge presided over this case.
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That is the biggest load of sh!t for what occurs naturally in high speed rollovers. I'd like to know what kind of judge presided over this case.
Blame the jury, not the judge.

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This makes smoke come out of my ears. Isnt this why the federal Govt requires crash testing? Disco's meet those standards, so how can a court arbitrarily decide that it wasnt safe enough? Hell, if suits like this are allowed, then lets get rid of the standards (air bag and other BS).

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Old May 28th, 2009, 03:02 PM
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The legal system is fucked! I guess what the court is saying i.e., is that all vehicles should be tested safe to impact speeds of 100 mph. That's basically what I got from the article. People can't take responsibility with their actions. The saying "shit happens" is replaced with "suits happen".
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Old May 28th, 2009, 04:23 PM
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The legal system is fucked! I guess what the court is saying i.e., is that all vehicles should be tested safe to impact speeds of 100 mph. That's basically what I got from the article. People can't take responsibility with their actions. The saying "shit happens" is replaced with "suits happen".
Court says nothing, it is you non-lawyer/non-judge idiots on the jury who do things like this.

edit: comment not directed at anyone in particular, just the general competence of juries.
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Old May 28th, 2009, 04:29 PM
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I agree. They painted a picture to the jury that this guy was driving one of the most expensive (at the time it was sold) SUVs on the planet and it should of protected him and the jury in their ignorant wisdom agreed. They obviously missed the part about being slammed into at 80mph. The flip side of the argument should of been what vehicle would have protected him from an accident like that. Not many if any.
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I agree. They painted a picture to the jury that this guy was driving one of the most expensive (at the time it was sold) SUVs on the planet and it should of protected him and the jury in their ignorant wisdom agreed. They obviously missed the part about being slammed into at 80mph. The flip side of the argument should of been what vehicle would have protected him from an accident like that. Not many if any.
A NAS D90 or D110 with a full cage. Oh, wait, the .gov functionally banned them.
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Court says nothing, it is you non-lawyer/non-judge idiots on the jury who do things like this.

edit: comment not directed at anyone in particular, just the general competence of juries.
Agreed, but the judge should be able to toss the case based on stupidity of the people bringing it.
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Agreed, but the judge should be able to toss the case based on stupidity of the people bringing it.
They can, and do, in many states. Other states like New Jersey and of note here, California, have laws and/or rules (often imposed by elected legislatures and/or elected judges) which make it very hard to do so.
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I don't think it says much for his lawyer. Maybe some tests on other vehicles to prove that this type of accident would result in this type of result. I hope this attitide doesn't permeate into the Canadian legal system.
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Court says nothing, it is you non-lawyer/non-judge idiots on the jury who do things like this.

edit: comment not directed at anyone in particular, just the general competence of juries.
it's the lawyers fault, they exclude everyone from the jury that might possibly understand what happened... everytime i've been up for jury duty i was one of the first people booted, what's the reason, one answer "i'm a college educated engineer" not a chance any defense will ever let me ride...
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Yeah Ron, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the voir dire process pretty much intended to eliminate people that can think for themselves?
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Yeah Ron, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the voir dire process pretty much intended to eliminate people that can think for themselves?
Depends on which lawyer is doing it and what they think they have to gain. In civil matters, generally speaking the defense wants the best and smartest jurors and the plaintiff wants the dumbest (this is a broad generalization). As I rarely am involved in jury trials (the Court I practice in most often does not have juries), I am not exactly an authority on this matter so my opinion should be taken with a grain of salt.

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Right, because the "good-ole" people of Virginia (or other states for that matter) would never participate in such an egregious act of cupidity.
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Blame the jury, not the judge.

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Again, it is the jury, not the judge.
Apparently we need to blame the judge this time, since it was his ruling, and not a jury trial..

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Interesting Animations, BTW..

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More Legal Stupidity for everyone's enjoyment..
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Comments about jury withdrawn.

" plus failure to warn,"

Interesting, I thought that Discos had the "This is a Multi Purpose Vehicle" warning like RRCs
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