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Old March 28th, 2012, 09:28 AM
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Jeep Forward Control??

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Old March 28th, 2012, 09:33 AM
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I saw that on ExPo yesterday. Jeep is beating the shit out of the LR design department nowadays.
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Old March 28th, 2012, 09:40 AM
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Yeah it's pretty badass, but with the cab over the front wheels it would be hard to pass crash test... Your knees are the crumple zone.
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I think your knees are roughly 75" off of the ground in that, so unless you front-end-crash into a house, you should be alright!
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It is sad that a concept like that will never be sold because of all the crash and roll over laws that it could never pass in the USA.
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Old March 28th, 2012, 09:50 AM
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If they made that J-12 as a double cab I with a hemi I might have to convert....
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I saw that on ExPo yesterday. Jeep is beating the shit out of the LR design department nowadays.
They really are. IMO, LR is going for the "posing" active upscale group (like the commercial with well traveled people going to the dry cleaner and they have their LR4 parked outside )

Jeep on the other hand seems to be making cool concept rigs and seeing what the public thinks and coming with new stuff if there is interest. Like that JK8 pickup conversion that one of the off road pubs is doing an article on. And then you have this FC concept. Working off an an old product (there is actually an old FC at the garage across our beachclub) and throwing cool pieces like portal axles (and did I get this right they are available thru the catalog??!) and 40" MT's will totally have people looking and saying "cool". LR on the other hand will probably show off an Evoque with 22"s

Also read in the latest issue of JP that Chrysler will be building diesel powered Grand Cherokee for the US market. The article said there could be a diesel in the Jeep JK. IDK, if that comes about, I think you'd have some classic Defender owners swapping teams. And why not a 4 door, diesel power rig that's able to run without the roof and more suspension and axle options out there than you would know what to do with.

BTW, I love the JK12 as well. My dad had a bunch of full size Cherokee and Wagoneers when I was a kid and have a soft spot for them. I actually remember helping the old man put in a Ranco lift kit on a Cherokee Chief. Me - I would love to see a Wagoneer and FSJ pickup come out and compete with the Chevy Tahoe/truck line.
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Old March 28th, 2012, 10:35 AM
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I think your knees are roughly 75" off of the ground in that, so unless you front-end-crash into a house, you should be alright!
Up in New York you may be fine, but around here every other truck sits that high.
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Very Cool. How does Isuzu/Mitsubishi sell their Low Forward Cab?

http://www.isuzucv.com/news/index.html
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Very Cool. How does Isuzu/Mitsubishi sell their Low Forward Cab?

http://www.isuzucv.com/news/index.html
They are a commercial truck the laws are different.

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Old March 28th, 2012, 11:08 AM
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They are a commercial truck the laws are different.

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I really don't see the Jeep FC being a personal vehicle... maybe it can be produced under commercial laws.
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Well, even a Smart Car has a very good crash test rating, whether you believe it or not. The Jeep forward control has more crumple zone than a Smart Car.

If your idea of survival is an offset barrier test at 35mph, then I don't think it's beyond the scope of modern engineering to make that survivable in a forward control - even if the barrier was at bumper-level.

Now if you will survive a 65mph smash into your favorite 100 year old Oak tree or a rollover crash into a highway barrier is a different question. But the probability of surviving that in any vehicle is pretty slim.

Did you notice the portals?
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I'm not saying I don't want one, just saying safety may be an issue... lol
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I'm not saying I don't want one, just saying safety may be an issue... lol
I would buy one if available tomorrow.
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Old March 28th, 2012, 12:15 PM
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I saw that on ExPo yesterday. Jeep is beating the shit out of the LR design department nowadays.
Absolutely right ! ! !

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They really are. IMO, LR is going for the "posing" active upscale group (like the commercial with well traveled people going to the dry cleaner and they have their LR4 parked outside )

Jeep on the other hand seems to be making cool concept rigs and seeing what the public thinks and coming with new stuff if there is interest. Like that JK8 pickup conversion that one of the off road pubs is doing an article on. And then you have this FC concept. Working off an an old product (there is actually an old FC at the garage across our beachclub) and throwing cool pieces like portal axles (and did I get this right they are available thru the catalog??!) and 40" MT's will totally have people looking and saying "cool". LR on the other hand will probably show off an Evoque with 22"s

Also read in the latest issue of JP that Chrysler will be building diesel powered Grand Cherokee for the US market. The article said there could be a diesel in the Jeep JK. IDK, if that comes about, I think you'd have some classic Defender owners swapping teams. And why not a 4 door, diesel power rig that's able to run without the roof and more suspension and axle options out there than you would know what to do with.

BTW, I love the JK12 as well. My dad had a bunch of full size Cherokee and Wagoneers when I was a kid and have a soft spot for them. I actually remember helping the old man put in a Ranco lift kit on a Cherokee Chief. Me - I would love to see a Wagoneer and FSJ pickup come out and compete with the Chevy Tahoe/truck line.

Wish LR were reading this, but they seem to be totally lost...

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Looks like Arles Blue!

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That's exactly what I thought, when I saw it on Autoblog !

Love Arles Blue ! ! !
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Naw land rover is where they need to be in the US to turn a profit. How well do you honestly think a defender that meets current safety standards would sell compared to a jeep? I'd love a new defender but i can't see paying the cost.
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Old March 28th, 2012, 12:55 PM
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It's BS to say that the cost(s) associated with bringing the Defender up to current US safety standards would be astronomical - OF COURSE THEY WOULD BE....NOW. They were able to put the airbags in the 1995 (first half) RRC without bastardizing the RRC design - they could have done something with the Defender, but it wasn't selling well enough at the time. LR could have done small changes over the past many years and slowly developed a viable Defender design that also complied with the US safety standards, but that never happened, and to do something all at once now to accomodate our market is simply not feasible.
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I think the making the defender US compliant is too expensive is all hogwash anyway.

Land Rover ahem Land Rover and Range Rover, do not want to sell basic utility vehicles in the US and don't want the inevitable bad press from bringing back what is a terrible design from the perspective of the average US consumer. What do you mean the top leaks?!? I can see daylight under the doors! This only got a one star crash rating: Muffy cannot have a new vineyard vines edition Defender!

Basic utility versions of 90s and 110s sell new for under $25k US in the UK. Airbags and a dumb removable crash bumpers might cost 5k a car. That is still what they sold for new 17 years ago.
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Pretend it is 1997. Bill Clinton is US President, and Elton John's "Candle in the Wind" is #1 on the charts:

1. A new Jeep Wrangler TJ cost $17,000 USD.
2. A new Defender 90 cost $34,000 USD.
3. A new Discovery costs $36,000 USD.
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Pretend it is 1997. Bill Clinton is US President, and Elton John's "Candle in the Wind" is #1 on the charts:

1. A new Jeep Wrangler TJ cost $17,000 USD.
2. A new Defender 90 cost $34,000 USD.
3. A new Discovery costs $36,000 USD.
And AOL was trading for what? $90?
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