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Old October 21st, 2008, 09:45 PM
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Japanese Defenders now getting rejected?

This is interesting. Anyone know anything about it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-...=p4506.c0.m245
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That is odd, it is on the "List of Nonconforming Vehicles Decided To Be Eligible for Importation"

saldv3244va129180

Taken directly from the following site

http://www.epa.gov/EPA-IMPACT/2006/S...y-26/i8260.htm

Land Rover.................... 432 ...... ...... Defender 90 ................. 1997
(manufactured before
9/1/97) VIN
``SALDV224*VA'' or
``SALDV324*VA''.

The one thing I did notice is that it does state "manufactured before 9/1/97" I wonder if they were made after that date and then would no longer fit into that range.

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Old October 21st, 2008, 10:56 PM
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That importation thing is such a dicey game. Every car is literally case-by-case, and if they see irregularities or something they don't like, you're hosed. I'm always curious as to what technicality somebody ran afoul of, but I'm not sure any conclusions can be drawn from it other than somebody screwed up.

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I see these guys are Canadian. It seems hard to believe they didn't do their homework, but they said in the ad that Rover won't provide any documents - of course not - they never do. This trucks have to be brought through the system one-by-one, and that means contracting both and RI and an ICI, to the tune of about 10 thousand bucks. Its surprising that someone would have enough cash for 5 defenders but not be smart enough to figure the regs out in advance, but hey, its a simple explanation.
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VIN on the auction comes up as an NAS vin. Photos show NAS engine bay plaque. Speedo is in KM...looks fishy.
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VIN on the auction comes up as an NAS vin. Photos show NAS engine bay plaque. Speedo is in KM...looks fishy.
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The one thing I did notice is that it does state "manufactured before 9/1/97" I wonder if they were made after that date and then would no longer fit into that range.

Sucks

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There are a good number of Japanese Spec 90s that fall within the compliant VINs, but where built on or after Sept. 1. These cars are now being rejected.
A dealer in FL had to re-export a few. He called me for advice on how to get them in, and I have also heard from one of the dealers in Japan that wanted to sell me a bunch of them. Out of the 5 or 6 he had only one fell into the importable range, even though they were all basically identical (small changes) to the NAS D90SW.

I asked the DOT for clarification as I found one that was built on 9/1/97, but the ruling I got was that the law says "built before", not "on or before" so that one was not legal for import.

All the Japanese Spec 90s had KPH speedos.
You can't tell an NAS engine bay from a Japanese one (or at least I can't). I have a couple of Japanese Spec legal imports here at the shop an other than some exterior lighting, cloth seats, (usually power windows) a KPH speedo and a slightly different rear badge I can't tell them from NAS units.

As with all things DOT... a number of trucks got through, then someone in Customs or DOT must have caught on, as recently I have had a couple/three calls from people with Japanese trucks that are in import trouble.

Sucks too because they are cheap over there.

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This trucks have to be brought through the system one-by-one, and that means contracting both and RI and an ICI, to the tune of about 10 thousand bucks.
Actually, in the case of a correct build date and a correct VIN in these Japanese Spec 90s they come in without the need for an RI (Registered Importer) and no further compliance needed.
I always found that odd as they do not have front side marker lights and such.

From DOT email:

If it has a label affixed by the original manufacturer certifying its
compliance with all applicable FMVSS, the vehicle can be imported under
Box 2A on the HS-7 Declaration form without the need to engage the
services of an RI.


Coleman Sachs, Chief
Import and Certification Division
Office of Vehicle Safety Compliance
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Old October 22nd, 2008, 09:32 AM
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I had no idea they had the sticker until I saw the one in the ebay ad. What a strange anomaly these trucks are.
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My guess is that they made a ton for the USA market (or had all the parts for them) and then something happened with EPA or DOT and they (LRNA) were not able to import all the ones they wanted to or thought they would. No data to back that up though, just a guess on my part, but all the 97 Japanese trucks arrived in Japan after US imports of them had stopped and are all of very late build dates compared to NAS 97 90s.
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I would think those trucks might sell well back in UK. Maybe start a rental business in UK for us yanks to go tour the countryside in a NAS style D90.
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I thought japanese cars were right hand drive. Why would they import left hand drive trucks?
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Japanese cars are RHD (I lived in Japan for a year)
No clue as to why these were LHD, adds more fuel to my "Where do we sell these cars?" theory.

I think the UK guys would cringe at 13 mpg!
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WOULD THESE CARS BE GOOD FOR EXPORT TO THE BAHAMAS? AS I AM LOOKING in the uk now for one? IT THEY LOOK PERFECT FOR THAT!! NO NEED TO WORRY MON .....NO EPA NO DOT NO PROBLEMS!!
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You can buy the one on ebay (but be aware the truck is on a Customs hold and is in a bonded area, you can't go see it or anything), and it could be exported, but I think you'd be getting in the middle of a mess personally. I spoke to the guy that sold the Canadian company those trucks and the reason it can't come into the USA is that the DOT compliance decals have been removed and LRNA will not re-issue, so there is no chance of getting it in and you can't buy it and sneek it in because it is still with Customs, not the dealer.

If the ebay one does not work for you I have a couple in Japan (one white and one blue) that are too new to import to the USA that I would sell you. Email me if you want one (it can't come to the US though, but sounds like that might be up your alley).

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LHD is a huge status symbol in the JDM.

Mike, A US federal cert. label is not that unusual on the JDM market, a lot of high-dollar cars sold there bear the US Fed compliance labelling, I have seen a few 850 BMWs, some AMG Benzes, and a whole bunch of other special interest vehicles that were imported (into Canada) from Japan with US Federal tags. It does seem odd that they have the non-conforming signal light, however this is usually the only thing that is updated (on other makes) in order to make them compliant in Japan. For instance, every early 90's vette (US certification label) imported has an add-on mid-fender mounted side marker light, and KMH speedo.
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There are a few Jap inports rovers here (in the UK). mainly discovery's though....

like Mike said, V8's are pricey to run here, although our fuel has dropped in price slightly, still friggin expensive though.
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i spoke with the canadian seller. he said 2 of his truck were being held. this is not one of the. so he says.
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i spoke with the canadian seller. he said 2 of his truck were being held. this is not one of the. so he says.
I think this guy may be full of it. Here is his reply to me:

"i have been on your site.. a few of my trucks are b4 sept. 1 1997, and these are good to go with an ri...i am working on that.. but the others are after the cutoff...they are in a bonded warehouse. i sold 3 today to europe..i have 5 left in the warehouse."
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Not too surprising really. Importing J-spec d-90's is pretty much an entrepreneurial venture, and as such, is more likely to be undertaken by flakes looking to make a buck than established professionals with steady income streams.
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So what does this 'non conforming" vehicle list get you? obviously you can't just go buy a 1993 110 and bring it into the USA through a RI. Does this list exempt a listed vehicle from Epa, Dot, NHTSA, or customs or non of the above? I noticed that the 2000 model D2 is listed, be nice to have a td5 family vehicle., what's up with that?
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I would think those trucks might sell well back in UK. Maybe start a rental business in UK for us yanks to go tour the countryside in a NAS style D90.
now these's an Idea!
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