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Old November 20th, 2007, 07:50 AM
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So being that the Defender holds it's value/appreciates in value, will the Jap D's do the same? Or are the NAS versions superior insofar as depreciation/appreciation

90 percent of D90 buyers would not know, or care, that the 90 was Jap. spec. As long as the import was legal and the title was clean these would keep real close pace with the true NAS 90. Maybe a very small deduction in the long term value as it wasn't a "true" NAS car, but overall very close. IMO.
IMO the only down side to these imports is that part of the required changes to make them legal is changing the KM speedo to MPH... so who knows the real miles.
Its only hobbyists, like me, that research these cars and find all the small differences etc... 90 percent of buyers go,"Hey, I like the green one. I'll take it."
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Old November 20th, 2007, 08:14 AM
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So, is there any way, with any confidence that I can check miles or I'm pretty much at the mercy of the importer? I've heard decent things about brit rover but with them in florida and me in new york, experiences are all heresay? How can I protect myself???
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Old November 20th, 2007, 09:12 AM
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mileage

If you do a search on this forum, you'll find a thread or two talking about mileage on Defenders. At a certain point it doesn't matter. Hence, some states (TX for example) put EXEMPT mileage on your new title if the car is more than 10 years old. How true are the mileage claims for even the NAS Defenders listed with 45-65k miles? The odometers on the Defender can be very easily replaced AND the interior pieces on a Defender are a few hard plastic pieces that can be easily touched up to look new, or replaced. A Defender with 90k miles may have never been driven off-road and lived in a dry climate such as Nevada all its life. Thus, it's the actual condition of the vehicle that matters.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 10:24 AM
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Good point. Here in New York the title is the same way....exempt on mileage over 10 years. So, what you're saying is if the truck is primo condition and the importer says it has 15,000 miles on it but it's a 97 it really doesn't matter if it's 15,000 or 150,000 as long as primo is really primo.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 10:46 AM
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Speedos have manufacture dates on them. Take a look at it.
If the speedo was made in 2006 and the car was made in 1997 then....
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Old November 20th, 2007, 10:53 AM
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That's where Carfax comes in. When I check mine on Carfax, the last odometer reading was something like 75k. The next time mileage gets reported (emissions, dealership, DMV), it will show as a discrepancy since I will be replacing my broken speedo at some point.

But I do agree that mileage does not matter, it's the overall condition of the vehicle. Motors, trannys, t-cases, everything can be replaced once worn out. BUT, mileage does affect value. Consider a '97 D-90 with 200k miles will fetch considerably less $$ than one with 100k miles, even if both were identical condition.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 10:54 AM
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Speedo date is what like stamped on the back of the unit or can i see it without taking it out?? I can't see it on my 95 but never removed it to look at the back.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 01:14 PM
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You really can't trust mileage on a '97. It's as simple as pulling the fuse for the windscreen wipers to render the odometer inoperable. Judge the truck based on its condition. I considered a 90 similar to mine here locally with less than half the miles but it wasn't in nearly as good of condition as mine is. It's all about how much care was taken. I'm sure my other Rovers are in better shape than comparable trucks with considerably less mileage just because I'm an anal retentive obsessive compulsive neat freak.
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will the Jap D's do the same?
Seriously?

Is this really what you wanted to type or perhaps a poor abbreviation?
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Old November 20th, 2007, 03:48 PM
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Jap = Japanese I'm not too sure what you're getting at but if I offended anyone than I guess it was a poor abbreviation. I'd didn't think it was inappropriate. Sorry.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 04:09 PM
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Ummm, they are also all right hand drive....... That might give it away...
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Old November 20th, 2007, 06:09 PM
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Ummm, they are also all right hand drive....... That might give it away...

Actually they are all LHD (USA correct).

See pix on our web site. They are factory LHD.

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If they were RHD they would not be importable.
A D110/90 has to be factory built LHD to be able to comply. The DOT does not allow RHD to LHD converted Defenders.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 06:28 PM
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Im not quite sure either. Jap, Brit, Aussie, all in the same spirit to me.

-Jeff

There is no offense taken. The use of it appeared somewhat innocuous, but I wasn't aware people still used it as an abbreviation so I inquired.

Nonetheless, it is regarded as an ethnic slur to those of Japanese descent.
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Old November 21st, 2007, 11:40 AM
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...Maybe a very small deduction in the long term value as it wasn't a "true" NAS car, but overall very close. IMO....
So, carried to a ridiculous extreme, if that spread ever increased, and someone wanted to "clone" an exact "NAS" 90 using a Japanese spec 90 (NAS front side markers, upholstery, crank windows, amber markers, Unleaded Fuel sticker in English, heritage plate font & other details, etc..), the giveaway would be the higher VIN sequence, right?

The highest NAS 97 VIN sequence I've read of is VA126471. Since the Japanese 90's were built after ours (?), all the VIN's should be higher.
The one for sale in Japan that Will posted earlier has a VIN sequence: VA129439.
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Old November 21st, 2007, 12:24 PM
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Actually they are all LHD (USA correct).

See pix on our web site. They are factory LHD.
That is weird....

Why have they made factory LHD vehicles for the Japanese market??? It makes no sense.
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Old November 21st, 2007, 12:40 PM
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My theory (no fact to back it up) is that they had a ton of parts to make 1998 and such NAS Defender 90s. Then the US DOT likely squashed that idea due to tougher laws (air bags) and then Land Rover had a ton of "NAS" stuff and needed something to do with it (with the US market now unable to take more D90s). So the Japanese and Saudi spec 90s were born, to use up parts.

Same thing happened back in 1974...
The "NAS" stuff (4" amber lenses, etc) ended up going to other markets that didn't need those parts, but Rover had to get rid of the parts, so why not use them on trucks instead of just putting it in a parts wharehouse.

Just a guess, but it is based on stuff Rover has done in the past.
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Old November 21st, 2007, 06:15 PM
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According to the saleman at British Rover, the cars are NAS. They came from the royal fleet of Dubai.
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The ones we have seen all have Japanese markings and even have Japanese business cards and such in them when we clean out under the seats and such.
The are "very close" to NAS, but they are not NAS cars... unless you are trying to sell one.
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My take is that they were made in China and run on leaded gas. DOH!!!
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Old November 21st, 2007, 09:39 PM
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Cool, then we'll all be OK unless we chew on them.
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