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Old September 21st, 2009, 03:24 PM
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Isn't it interesting how a Utility vehicle can be elivated to near super car status??

Ok I was perusing ebay and I ran across this...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...NA%3AUS%3A1123

HOLY CRAP ! ! ! HOW is it that a utility vehicle has come to command such prices?!?!?!?! and it has had the cage removed????

Good Grief My hopes are that with more legal vehicles coming into the country now prices will "normalize" for what the vehicles are.

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Old September 21st, 2009, 03:36 PM
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I could be wrong, but it seems painfully clear that the truck is one of the new 2006 ROW spec 300tdi LHD 110s that are still for sale in the UK for 14-18k UKP.

http://www.keithgott.co.uk/sales_110s.html

I would ask for any build up pics if it is truly a "rebuild" of an existing truck. It never had a cage, but the seller said the cage is included and it also seems clear that it has the title of a NAS 110.

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Still, you figure the based truck is worth 25k us, a NAS 110 title is worth 25k US and the cage is worth 3-5k and you are getting close to the asking price.
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Old September 21st, 2009, 03:55 PM
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I call horseshit as well. There is nothing in that truck that was NAS in origin. It is wrong in sooo many ways.
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Old September 21st, 2009, 03:59 PM
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I believe this is the truck that Dale (rovertrader) is selling in the for sale section. He did the restoration and is selling for his client/friend.

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ad.php?t=21777
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Old September 21st, 2009, 04:05 PM
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This argument could go on and on about Vin swapping or restoring. I take Dale's word for it that the truck is built not just a number swap. It looks like for all intensive purposes this truck was put together using all new parts from a pre 07 truck. I don't have a problem with it and it looks nice. I would be shocked if anyone with a NAS truck wouldn't want the new doors and updated dash. I do have a problem with the truck no longer resembling an NAS truck. It doesn't have the cage or the rear lights. I don't even see the number badge. I apologize if it is there. The truck now lacks what made them unique to our market.
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Old September 21st, 2009, 04:07 PM
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You guys are slow to the table.
This is the truck Dale has for sale located in the trucks for sale section where the arguments about VIN etc. started.
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Old September 21st, 2009, 04:16 PM
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I call horseshit as well. There is nothing in that truck that was NAS in origin. It is wrong in sooo many ways.
The color... :-)
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Old September 21st, 2009, 04:21 PM
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The color... :-)
Ironically, I think Apline white was phased out by 2006 and it would be Chawton white.
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Ironically, I think Apline white was phased out by 2006 and it would be Chawton white.
Work with me here... I am trying to be more positive.
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Old September 21st, 2009, 06:42 PM
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They're not slow to the table Dendy, they're rightfully not bringing up the issue in Dale's for-sale thread. This whole thing has been pretty extensively hashed over in the what's legal thread, and that's a good place to start for someone thinking of dipping their toes into the legal morass of defender restoration. A summary is probably that the truck is not illegal for "being" what it "is" but non-legal, legal, and quasi-legal means exist to create the truck which now exists. A buyer may or may not need to take these things into account depending on where they live, how their lawyer interprets the Constitution, and the alignment of Ganymede and Venus.
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Old September 21st, 2009, 07:23 PM
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How about a "1963 Series II 109" fetching $52k!

Great looking truck but it seems it would be more ethical/legal to call it a '63 since that's how it's registered. I suppose more people are looking for a 1993 110 though...
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Old September 21st, 2009, 07:32 PM
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I will say this about that, removing the NAS A/C vents from the dash to be replaced by a shin buster should be illegal. As for the rest of it, it could be chaulked up to taste. A shame to burn a 1 of 500 VIN when a 1966 would do.
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I will say this about that, removing the NAS A/C vents from the dash to be replaced by a shin buster should be illegal. As for the rest of it, it could be chaulked up to taste. A shame to burn a 1 of 500 VIN when a 1966 would do.
The seller makes this claim, as well: "This is a chance of a lifetime for a very reasonable price considering the build cost and rarity of these trucks- only 500 imported, and aprox half no longer exist."

How valid is that assessment? Any basis in reality? I'd guess that no one would let a NAS 110 VIN go to waste and I bet that there's at least 450 still out there.
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Old September 21st, 2009, 08:21 PM
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I've run AutoCheck reports on almost 300 of the NAS 110's - the vast majority (95%+) have current registrations. Very very few even have salvage title histories (far less than are known to have burned), so most burned trucks appear to be returned to service with no title brands.
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 07:13 AM
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Truck in question: toast, ressurected. Does have fresh powdercoat cage AND rear plaque. Owner had a NAS proper(petrol) prior and travelled to third world countries. Sold said truck, had this built. As stated above, purchase a toast NAS110, purchase a donor properly imported, rebuild/assembled- your call, and do it for $80k. Doesn't even handle hard cost of getting all the parts and shipping to one locale, much less the assembly cost. And his a/c actually works, not to mention 28mpg and no electrical gremlins- but hey, flame away. And correct, all with a clean title/Carfax. Ironicly, the NAS trucks will continue to bring bigger monies as Tata continues to make parts NLA, so period correct trucks should increase in value. And there are still only 500, yea I know 505 or 510, but still, no new ones. All said, the more 'bastard' NAS110s, the higher a proper NAS110 should sell for, no??? However, being one of the last market driven nongoverned commodities, the buyers- real money spending buyers, will determine which is worth more. And if the owner wants to modify his truck- so be it. We won't even get started on bumper heights, lifts, etc. Back to the what's legal thread....
Ooops, 300/500= 60% x 95% = 57% until the other 200+/- surface... hence nearing super car quantities, and with diesel performance :-)
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 07:53 AM
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Dale - I only stopped at 300 because Autocheck informed me that my "unlimited" account actually had limits. I'm not waiting for trucks to surface, I'm waiting to come up with enough time to do the rest.
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 08:04 AM
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I'd guess that no one would let a NAS 110 VIN go to waste and I bet that there's at least 450 still out there.
two 93 110s went for cash for clunkers. The tally has been released and it lists brands and models.
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 08:21 AM
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two 93 110s went for cash for clunkers. The tally has been released and it lists brands and models.
NOOOOO, We should haul those two perps up before the NAS 110 executive board and tar and feather them.
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no way!!! thats insane. Who could be that dumb?
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two 93 110s went for cash for clunkers. The tally has been released and it lists brands and models.
Can you link the data that proves this?
I find it hard to believe that 1993 NAS Defenders got traded in for less than some folks want for a roll cage from one of them.
I bet they were 1993 Range Rovers, not 110s.
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