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Old November 18th, 2015, 04:27 PM
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International 2.8 into Montana

I have a prospective buyer for my 1994 D90. I live in Canada and the buyer in Montana. However, the truck underwent an engine swap from the original 3.9 to an international 2.8. To make it more confusing the truck started life in Telluride Colorado and made it's way into Vancouver in the late 90's, where someone did the swap. Can this now be returned to the USA as is or is this a state by state decision?
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Does it have a US title?
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Old November 18th, 2015, 05:08 PM
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any vehicle outside of the US for more than 12 mos is treated as an import on return
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Old November 18th, 2015, 05:33 PM
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looks like a nice job...
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Old November 18th, 2015, 05:43 PM
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any vehicle outside of the US for more than 12 mos is treated as an import on return
Uncle Douglas with the amazing 411! Who would effin know that shite, except a true professional!!!
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Old November 19th, 2015, 12:03 AM
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It is a NAS spec 90 so it should be no different than a regular import. Because it is a NAS it may be exempt from your 25 year rule? After all it did start its north american life in the USA.
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It is a NAS spec 90 so it should be no different than a regular import. Because it is a NAS it may be exempt from your 25 year rule? After all it did start its north american life in the USA.
Lots of Shoulds and Maybe in your advice. Do you play as Lawyer on TV. The guy is asking for advice not guesses. Keep the forum real.
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Lots of Shoulds and Maybe in your advice. Do you play as Lawyer on TV. The guy is asking for advice not guesses. Keep the forum real.
He IS the guy.
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The way the US import law is being interpreted and enforced is that in order to be eligible for import into the US the vehicle must have the original engine type it was built with OR an EPA approved light duty engine for the same weight class vehicle.

I don't believe the International 2.8 is on that list.
If it is, you should print out the list, highlight the engine on the list, and have that with you when you drive it across the border. That said border crossing imports typically go much differently than through a port of entry. Especially if done @ night when there is no one for the officer to call.
Another hint, Canadian's drive across on vacation all the time and many states will take a Canadian title and register a vehicle without import documentation. Montana will title a truck with a bill of sale written on a napkin from a diner
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Does the Canadian paperwork show the engine change?
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I know in Colorado you will definitely have to have your CBP paperwork in order, and both parts of a current Canadian registration before the state will issue a title.


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All I have for this truck is my Canadian registration which shows the fuel type as gas. I am not certain that an engine change has to be documented up here for any EPA type stuff.
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The way the US import law is being interpreted and enforced is that in order to be eligible for import into the US the vehicle must have the original engine type it was built with OR an EPA approved light duty engine for the same weight class vehicle. I don't believe the International 2.8 is on that list. If it is, you should print out the list, highlight the engine on the list, and have that with you when you drive it across the border. That said border crossing imports typically go much differently than through a port of entry. Especially if done @ night when there is no one for the officer to call. Another hint, Canadian's drive across on vacation all the time and many states will take a Canadian title and register a vehicle without import documentation. Montana will title a truck with a bill of sale written on a napkin from a diner
The International HS2.8 is not on the list. That said, I know that there were several that got them into the US, including Icon and Diesel Toyz in San Antonio.

I've got one under the bonnet. Sweet engine.
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The International HS2.8 is not on the list. That said, I know that there were several that got them into the US, including Icon and Diesel Toyz in San Antonio.

I've got one under the bonnet. Sweet engine.
well aware, not my first rodeo. Shipping and importing an engine on a pallet and bringing in a truck from outside the US with that engine already under the hood present wildly different scenario's and completely different forms/assertions are made to customs.
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Old November 19th, 2015, 02:03 PM
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Whoever imported it into Canada must still have the US title. Importing a US spec, <15 yr old vehicle into Canada is a fun and involved process.

My advice. Phone the border and ask US customs directly.
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