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Old February 9th, 2015, 02:32 PM
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Import Advice Required - Confiscated RRC

From Tyson Cowles's Facebook post this afternoon. This guy could use some help.

Hello again fellow Landy Lovers. I need your help again to save my Rover from the jaws of the car crusher here in the US. Long story short I've had an issue with my chassis # number on my 1976 Range Rover which I recently restored and then imported from overseas. The inspecting detective determined that the last four numbers of the frame number had been ground down and re-stamped. He then confiscated the Rover and I now have less than two weeks before I go to court and plead ...my case to have it released unharmed. I made a post last week and received a lot of helpful info and places to find info on British Leyland but now what I need is an expert on Classic British Leyland/Rover who can confirm that indeed there was very little quality control in the factory at that time as well as confirming that often times Rover frames which were assigned to be exported were routinely re-stamped in the factory. I also need this expert to look at a picture of the frame number on my Rover and see for himself whether it seems consistent with frame numbers for the Suffix "D" Rovers made for export in 1976. Here's what I do have on my side;
1)Original vin plate (# 35824961D) -note- This number matches the LHD models made for export in the 1976 as well as the title
2)Original engine and engine number which matches the title
3)Out-of-country title in my name (deemed "authentic" by the detective)
4)Out-of-country registration in my name
5)Bill of sale
6)ID of the man I bought it from in September 2014
To my knowledge the entire Rover (save for the mirrors) completely original. We did not do a frame-off restoration on this Rover as it was in fantastic structural shape. All of the engine/suspension/interior is original and correct according to the time period and model. It's simply impossible statistically that someone else could have found the same model chassis and swapped it with the body that has all of the paperwork in order and was in excellent original condition. I can't let the authorities get away with this. I can't let them destroy my vehicle based off of false information or at the very least faulty historical facts. You helped me before, now I've narrowed down what I absolutely need to take this to court and win back my Rover. Any help or info would be greatly appreciated. (NOTE-I do NOT currently have a picture of the chassis #, I have requested one from the detective who seized my Rover and to no surprise, he's failed to get back to me. As soon as I get it from him I will also post it.)




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Old February 9th, 2015, 02:38 PM
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Old February 9th, 2015, 02:43 PM
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not sure how he has a leg to stand on if the last 4 of the vin have been restamped
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Old February 9th, 2015, 02:49 PM
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Saw this post on rangerovers.net forums. He might be SOL... is he a member here too?
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Old February 9th, 2015, 02:51 PM
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not sure how he has a leg to stand on if the last 4 of the vin have been restamped
Reminds me of the pic of the chassis Will or maybe ECR posted with a few of the VIN numbers/letters X'd out and re-stamped correctly - presumably be someone from the factory.
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Old February 9th, 2015, 02:51 PM
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I hope they can save this one.... It looks great.

And after seeing 2 threads about 2 door classics.. I need one. Where does one find these??
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Old February 9th, 2015, 02:54 PM
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Reminds me of the pic of the chassis Will or maybe ECR posted with a few of the VIN numbers/letters X'd out and re-stamped correctly - presumably be someone from the factory.
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Old February 9th, 2015, 02:58 PM
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Only way to save this vehicle is to ship it back to where it came from.
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Thanks. I provided this link to his FB post.
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And it could be yours for $40,000: http://fyiauto.com/new/vehicle-detai...3&vid=79964102
Or $35,000 with lots of pictures: http://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/cto/4819165787.html
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I'd figured it was a commercial interest when I saw the quality of the initial photos.
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Old February 9th, 2015, 04:16 PM
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Only way to save this vehicle is to ship it back to where it came from.
Incorrect. The question isn't its age or entry eligibility, those you can petition to export.

The issue is a vin swap. You do not get vin swapped trucks back, they are "contraband".
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Old February 9th, 2015, 04:36 PM
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You'd think people would google this stuff before trying anything like this.
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Old February 9th, 2015, 04:40 PM
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Looks like they have a nice operation and pickings brought in from Central America. Many photos of this RRC during is resto. It would be a shame if crushed due to a LR workmanship issue.
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I very much doubt the factory would grind out the numbers to restamp them.

Someone is looking at a Texan sized haircut.
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Looks like they have a nice operation and pickings brought in from Central America. Many photos of this RRC during is resto. It would be a shame if crushed due to a LR workmanship issue.
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Yeah I've seen a few of those trucks in the past. JPBrown had listed their Series 1 here a couple of years back.

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I very much doubt the factory would grind out the numbers to restamp them.

Someone is looking at a Texan sized haircut.
Someone posted a photo of where they stamped X's over and then stamped correct digits under, why would using a grinder be any more difficult to believe?

It would be nice to see a photo of the VIN, to see how the lettering compares though.

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Something inside of me feels like there is more to this story than just a few ground down chassis frame numbers
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Something inside of me feels like there is more to this story than just a few ground down chassis frame numbers
Wonder if he will post a picture of the VIN on the frame as stated. Here is the other half of the equation:
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Thanks Russel for posting this on this forum, appreciate your help and concern and willingness to help. To all of those who have posted; yes I am a member. To those who have not much kind to say I get where you're coming from, I don't claim to be the best at this business but I've consistently punched out quality Rover restorations for what is far less than top-dollar. To those of you who had positive compliments, thanks for them. They have been of greatly appreciated during what has proven to be the worst month of my 2-year-old business. Unfortunately I never thought to take a picture of the frame number...this I understand and don't need the nay-sayers to grill me on it. I have requested one from the detective who confiscated it and to no surprise he hasn't gotten back to me with it. Now I've done quite a bit of research and thus far I've found numerous cases of Rover getting the VIN numbers wrong. I understand the odds are stacked against me but my lawyer tells me it could certainly help to find an expert who can say definitively if, during the 1970's, Rover did re-stamp their frames for export. I read up on an article that said that during the year 1976 the suffix letter was supposed to be "E", however the export models were designated the suffix letter "D". I'll attach a link I was given on another forum that briefly, albeit vaguely describes this mix-up. If anyone has any useful tips, info, or advice I'm all ears. If someone has something negative to say please don't waste your time or mine. Like I stated before, this is my business. I'm not the best, but I'm certainly not the worst and right now I only need info that can help my business not critique what lights I have or what I've done wrong. Shot out to Russel again for going beyond to help me out! Cheers everyone from Florida. -Tyson

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