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Old July 25th, 2013, 11:27 AM
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This is the thread to continue discussion that started here: http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ad.php?t=46444
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I have had both the crank driven and PTO driven koenig and preferred them to electrics.

I have a fairey superwinch PTO from a defender, but am still working on fitting it to the 110. I have come to the conclusion that it will mean running ROW V8 crossmember and exhaust, but I have not sorted it out yet.
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This is the thread to continue discussion that started here: http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ad.php?t=46444
Can you move the debate posts from the other thread to here? All the ones not dealing specifically with his PTO winch, I think that would leave about 3 or 4 there. Would unclutter his for sale ad and make it less likely for someone to come along, read 4 posts, and respond in his thread about hydraulic or electric winches.
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Can you move the debate posts from the other thread to here? All the ones not dealing specifically with his PTO winch, I think that would leave about 3 or 4 there. Would unclutter his for sale ad and make it less likely for someone to come along, read 4 posts, and respond in his thread about hydraulic or electric winches.
I'm not a mod so I for sure can't do it. I'll reach out and see if that can be done.
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Guys, I cleaned this up from your overnight post orgy on the for sale thread that started it all.
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Guys, I cleaned this up from your overnight post orgy on the for sale thread that started it all.
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I would have to think a hydraulic winch pto off the back of the transfer box would have to be a pain in the butt... In order to run the hydraulic pump the transfer box should be in neutral.. You can't winch and drive at the same time.. The more you need to pull the higher the revs have to be...means winching and then putting in gear to see if you are out... No assisting the winching by driving...
My father has a 110 with a hydraulic winch attached to the T-Case. You can winch with T-case in neutral or engaged. Truck is a 1985 110 (i.e. 2.5 NA). I can't remember which (1st or 2nd?) but the speed of the winch was almost sync'd with the speed of the wheels (or course, depends on a lot of factors, but when you're stuck, you're stuck! ).
In my opinion, this is the best setup. Does not overheat, plenty strong and very flexible (i.e. 5 speed).
This specific setup would likely not work well in a D90 (size of the hydraulic oil tank).

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If you're winching and powering your wheels at the same time, you're doing it wrong. It's too easy to to dynamically load the the cable (always a bad thing) and it's too easy to spin your wheels further tearing up the ground (a bad thing).
The only reason people drive and winch at the same time is because electric winches just don't have the power for extended enough periods or because they are, in general, too slow.
I disagree with that comment. While it definitely helps the winch, driving while winching has the following (potential) benefits:
- move the truck where you want it to go (vs. a straight line toward the winching point or even sliding to the side when winching off-camber)
- get over obstacles (you need a big ass winch to get your wheel over a tree trunk, rock. etc)
- less tension on the winch cable = less risk it breaks under load

A few weekends ago, we had a truck with a broken front axle (read: no power to that wheel), and I can tell you that it was a royal pain to get that wheel over any obstacle (all other 3 wheels had 100% power). To me that would have been the same as winching without driving. Am I missing something?
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I disagree with that comment. While it definitely helps the winch, driving while winching has the following (potential) benefits:
- move the truck where you want it to go (vs. a straight line toward the winching point or even sliding to the side when winching off-camber)
- get over obstacles (you need a big ass winch to get your wheel over a tree trunk, rock. etc)
- less tension on the winch cable = less risk it breaks under load
There are exceptions to every rule, but the vast majority of powering the wheels while winching is for the two reasons I mentioned.

Trying to guide the truck a direction other than towards the anchor point can lead to problems beyond just being stuck, like cable bunched on one end, excessive side loading, etc. It's better to take the time to rig your line so a straight pull is where you want to go. Yes, I know that's not always possible.

As for "less tension on the winch cable", that's a completely ass backwards way of looking at it. As I said, when you winch while powering the wheels you are a lot more likely to shock load the cable which is going to add a lot more load to it than you'll ever add just by letting the winch do it's job. If you're worried about overloading the cable you're a lot better off just getting the proper setup to start with, regardless whether it's electric, PTO or hydraulic.
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