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Old August 3rd, 2014, 05:52 PM
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How'd they dodge the bullet?

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Old August 3rd, 2014, 06:17 PM
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Bill:
The LRNA Posse is in the next canyon and will soon catch up with these evil copyright claim jumpers.
Many years ago (1975?) when Land Rover pulled out of North America, Sandy Grice, the ROAV President wrote a letter to LRNA asking for the rights to the Land Rover name and logo.

Sandy got an official letter bask saying sure, we won't be back.
The rest is history so to speak.

If I were in the George Costanza mode to do the opposite of what sound logic dictates, I would do exactly what the debaclers at LRNA do.
LRNA works so hard to alienate themselves from the real Land Rover community in this country !!!
They are the best of the best when it comes to being knuckleheads, completely out f touch.
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Bill: The LRNA Posse is in the next canyon and will soon catch up with these evil copyright claim jumpers. Many years ago (1975?) when Land Rover pulled out of North America, Sandy Grice, the ROAV President wrote a letter to LRNA asking for the rights to the Land Rover name and logo. Sandy got an official letter bask saying sure, we won't be back. The rest is history so to speak. If I were in the George Costanza mode to do the opposite of what sound logic dictates, I would do exactly what the debaclers at LRNA do. LRNA works so hard to alienate themselves from the real Land Rover community in this country !!! They are the best of the best when it comes to being knuckleheads, completely out f touch.
Robert,

Simple, we do not buy the 100k supercharged and ask the dealer to install 22" marcellino chrome rims with low profile tires, and thousands on chrome bling

Why would they care about us, after all we put our rovers in mud holes , so unconsidered of us
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 07:37 PM
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So if they officially granted rights to sandy grace.. How does that leave him standing now..if he was granted rights then he should be able to do whatever he wants with the name..
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Old August 4th, 2014, 07:25 AM
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Shayne -

Sandy asked for permission to use the Rover logo in his capacity as President of the Rover Owners Association of Virginia (ROAV). The the club has permission to use the logo. The LR Logo is part of the ROAV logo.
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Old August 4th, 2014, 09:22 AM
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Robert,

Simple, we do not buy the 100k supercharged and ask the dealer to install 22" marcellino chrome rims with low profile tires, and thousands on chrome bling

Why would they care about us, after all we put our rovers in mud holes , so unconsidered of us
Exactly.

LRNA is embarrassed when a "real" Land Rover 90 or 110 shows up at the dealership for servicing, especially a ROW with a diesel.
The sales manager calls LRNA and asks why can't we get these Defender style vehicles, we could sell lots of them.
LRNA wants ROW + 1993 NAS 110s + all the NAS 90s to just go away.
Next thing you know LRNA is putting pressure on CBT to keep ROW Defender style vehicles out of USA.
The problem is LRNA can't cooperate accurately as we have seen recently, but enough said...

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Sandy asked for permission to use the Rover logo in his capacity as President of the Rover Owners Association of Virginia (ROAV). The the club has permission to use the logo. The LR Logo is part of the ROAV logo.
Technically Sandy asked for the rights, which I think means that LRNA should be asking ROAV to use the Rover Logo.
Sandy had the letter for a long time, but last I heard had lost track of it.
When my wife processed the paperwork to incorporate ROAV as a non-profit corporation back in 1980 (or close to that date) we couldn't locate the letter.
Am sure there are stipulations and limitations, but it would be interesting to read it again.
Was hoping it would show up in an old book tucked away or located in the bottom of a safety deposit box.
I know at one time Diesel Bob had the club library in the early 1980s, but am not sure who has all the club documentation today.
Am not an active ROAV member, but about 5 years ago when I was, Sandy was the ROAV Club Historian and may have found the letter.
It's all probably a moot point today, David is correct, the Land Rover logo is incorporated into the ROAV badge which is not on any of my vehicles.
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They ran away and dumped us in the bushes ...

Dr. Davis makes a great point that many members are probably not familiar with. I remember when Land Rover abandoned the US market during the middle of the night back in late 1974/early 1975. They left without so much as leaving a note on the pillow. I was going to school and working on Land Rovers, Triumphs and MG's back then. Getting spare parts became a big problem. People needed their vehicles and didn't want to wait 2 weeks for a simple part. Whether you love them or hate them, this is when Atlantic British and eventually Rovers North came to the rescue. There were some great smaller shops like McKane's Rover imports in San Diego. Those companies and - us Land Rover geeks - kept these old motors running and kept the legend of Land Rover ALIVE in the US and Canada. Back then I cultivated several UK parts suppliers and still use them to this day for some of my spares.

Older members will note that the Series Land Rover owners and Defender owners are MUCH different than the current Range Rover types. Most of us were serious about 4-wheeling and used our rigs to go camping, hunting or to perform actual off road work. While there are some Disco drivers who love to drive off road, the current Land Rover buyer is more urban and more likely to go on a mall shopping safari than take to the hills. Anyway, it's the "little people" who kept that brand alive and viable in the US and Canada. The Series and Defender vehicles are the "holy icons" still used by the media whenever they need a rugged prop. All of this has kept the mystique alive.
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Exactly.

LRNA is embarrassed when a "real" Land Rover 90 or 110 shows up at the dealership

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I feel the may reason for any embarrassment is simply due to the fact that the Defender is dead and there is NOTHING in the pipeline to replace it.
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I feel the may reason for any embarrassment is simply due to the fact that the Defender is dead and there is NOTHING in the pipeline to replace it.
Bad decision and good point.
If I had made such a silly decision, then I would be embarrassed too, wouldn't you?

They're also embarrassed to tell the owner of a 90 or 110 that they are not capable of working on their vehicle or getting parts for a diesel.
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