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Old August 22nd, 2012, 11:22 AM
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How did this 110 get a title ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1997-...item4abb2b2840

About a year ago this car was for sale on Craigslist in Indiana. I agreed with the seller I would buy it for $ 7.000,= but without any title or paperwork. So for me it was going to be a parts car.

It came from an Englishman on vacation in US who he left the country without his car. The guy I would buy it from stored it for him but got tired of it after some years, couldn't find the original owner anymore and put in Craigslist.

When I showed up at his place with a trailer and money, he refused to sell it because in the meantime somebody from Chicago had offered him $ 10.000,- and was on his way too. I was quit upset, angry, but what do you do ?

Now the same car shows up on Ebay with a "REBUILD TITLE". Beside a nice profit for the seller I am wondering how the new owner got a title ? A year ago there was no paperwork at all. It doesn't look like a VIN swap, but what is it ?

I kept a picture from the origal Craigslist add:
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 11:29 AM
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It can be done. There is plenty info here to read about it.

And it sucks you couldn't get it. I bet it's still in the same condition you saw it a year (or so) ago.
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 11:29 AM
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prob registered it in a state that does not require a title for a vehicle of this age. Then used the transferable registration to title the truck in a state that would issue a new title or a rebuilt title via the salvage process.

You can do this in NJ with registrations from AL, CT, FL ect ...

In a grey area of legality. As long as the truck isnt misrepresented and the VIN is original, personally i think it is fine.
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 11:31 AM
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prob registered it in a state that does not require a title for a vehicle of this age. Then used the transferable registration to title the truck in a state that would issue a new title or a rebuilt title via the salvage process.

You can do this in NJ with registrations from AL, CT, FL ect ...

In a grey area of legality. As long as the truck isnt misrepresented and the VIN is original, personally i think it is fine.
and $10k for his troubles.
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 11:32 AM
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many years ago I knew a car trader that got friendly with the girls that worked at the local DVLA ( UK equivalent on the DMV ) ... Taking them out for drinks, running the round in nice cars, taking them to nice places ... in those days the office people would 'inspect' a vehicle that had been rebuilt.

You would be amazed at what got registered and issued with papers ...

I guess it's not what you know but who you know allows you to navigate the system.
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 03:46 PM
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With it so easy to get into one legally I personally do not understand why people even try or get involved with stuff like this. $7,000 as you said and use as a parts car is what it is in my opinion. Yet anyone who does get it on the road will convince themselves it is legal, its just convincing anyone else that it is legal that is the hard part.
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 04:18 PM
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Another note. I doubt $7,000 (or $10,000) wouldn't cover the cost of that truck in the UK let alone the shipping costs to get it stateside, nor the profit that usually is expected from such a venture. Whoever you were dealing with before was, IMHO, baiting or otherwise attempting to scam you. You might feel like you lost out on a potential bargain, but the way I see it, you got to keep your $7,000.
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There is often such a deal on the local Kijiji site. Defenders from people who travelled or are travelling. I usually contact them for fun, as I have found most of them to be a variation of the famous Nigerian scam.
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No question this smells fishy. Even the VIN plate shows signs of being pryed off. Someone look up the history of this VIN: SALLDHM67VA122363.
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 05:24 PM
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I already checked it earlier from eBay and it's a non-displayable VIN, i.e. it has probably never been titled here under that VIN.
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 05:27 PM
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Perhaps someone in the U.K. could sort it out.
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Perhaps someone in the U.K. could sort it out.
Comes back as what it really is in the U.K. database. Date of liability (day after tax last ran out) is dated April, 1 2007 so its likley it came here around that time. It also comes up with an export marker, which means its been exported.
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The vin comes up as the following in my UK search


SAL Manufacturer code: Land Rover
LD Model: Defender (for early models: Ninety, or One Ten)
H Wheel base: 110 inch
M Body type: 4-door station wagon (LWB)
6 Engine type: 2.5 litre 300Tdi diesel (model 23L)
7 Steering and transmission: Right-hand drive (RHD), 5-speed manual (LT85, LT77, LT77S, R380 or other)
V Model year: 1997
A Assembly location: Solihull, UK
122363 Serial number
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So the story the previous seller told me could be true. Original VIN, Englishman leaving it behind some years ago. Of course then it could be stolen also. The seller at that time though didn't even know that this was a Defender.

Still strange that now it has a title with the 1997 VIN number. To me it looks like there is a way to get young Defenders registred here.
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Im really digging the moon visor
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Still strange that now it has a title with the 1997 VIN number. To me it looks like there is a way to get young Defenders registred here.
Not hard to get a title if you have the original VIN in more than one location on the vehicle.
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 11:12 PM
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Im really digging the moon visor
I'm digging how absolutely lazy the paint job looks. There is overspray on the carpet, the seats. and I think the seat belts. Nothing says $30K like not caring enough to remove the rug to paint.

Imagine what it looks like underneath!
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