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Old April 16th, 2013, 10:31 AM
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You may be right now that I look at it again. It looked like a D2 snorkel and the D2 rims when I looked at it quickly.
Im wondering why one is sitting at the port. I cannot imagine why someone would take a POS like that anywhere. The Wrangler I get. A wetnoodle like XJ? Not so much.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 10:59 AM
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Im wondering why one is sitting at the port. I cannot imagine why someone would take a POS like that anywhere. The Wrangler I get. A wetnoodle like XJ? Not so much.
Clearly the Jeeps are the personal vehicles of those two CBP officers, and the real reason why they are seizing all of these trucks is so that they can be the heroes of the campfire conversations at Jeep Jamboree 2013.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 10:59 AM
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just a rough vin & parts# check on one piece front doors,

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You may be right now that I look at it again. It looked like a D2 snorkel and the D2 rims when I looked at it quickly.
Sure its not a fourrunner?
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Old April 16th, 2013, 11:13 AM
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Clearly the Jeeps are the personal vehicles of those two CBP officers, and the real reason why they are seizing all of these trucks is so that they can be the heroes of the campfire conversations at Jeep Jamboree 2013.
Haha, clearly.

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Rubstrips give it away as a last iteration of the XJ.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 11:39 AM
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Yeah the safety angle is a hard pill to swallow. Sure, bring in that POS rust bucket with bad brakes and fluids dripping out of every orifice and we'll just give you a waiver! Good day to you sir, and don't worry we'll wipe up the drips once the smoke clears. Oh, you want to bring in a younger version of the exact same vehicle with a more refined drivetrain and interior improvements? Oh that can't be safe to have on the roads, and we can't have that!
To the letter of the law that seems to be the case and it seems totally idiotic. But the Defender is the only vehicle I can think of that it has such a long model run, is simplistic and can sell for some decent money/has a demand.

This is purely a guess but... for the CBP - I bet it is easy/straight forward work and they can look like studs containing them/holding them up. They just look for the Defender's coming in and if they look new or a quick check of the motor/VINs. Or they didn't give a shit until one of their bosses said give any Defender coming thru the complete treatment. Again, IDK for sure - just guesses as I think it's a little much for the scale.

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Do I feel a LRNA conspiracy coming on?
I actually joked about that in the NC thread considering what LRNA went thru to clamp down on the use of the word Rover.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 11:45 AM
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TAgain, IDK for sure - just guesses as I think it's a little much for the scale.
Probably to renew the precedent set in the past. Every now and again, they show up and enforce the laws. Skylines are memorable even to people who dont know what they are. People were bringing in VWs a little while ago. They took possession of a MKII Rallye Golf and shredded it. Its all about precedent. Reset the bar every now and again.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 11:51 AM
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Geez. 3 Land Rovers in one pic.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cbpphot...7633218266967/

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I've seen quite a few push button doors on 1988 trucks

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ad.php?t=42910

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ad.php?t=43603

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ad.php?t=41419

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ad.php?t=26408

and Doug confirmed they were introduced in 1988; Math: 2013-1988 = 25
I've hung around too many MOD trucks in my time. Warps the memory cells.......
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Old April 16th, 2013, 11:51 AM
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Probably to renew the precedent set in the past. Every now and again, they show up and enforce the laws. Skylines are memorable even to people who dont know what they are. People were bringing in VWs a little while ago. They took possession of a MKII Rallye Golf and shredded it. Its all about precedent. Reset the bar every now and again.
My thoughts, as well.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 11:55 AM
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In addition to 'safety', they clearly take issue with the profit motive as well.

-Jeff
Does anyone have a approx number on what guys were making on the Puma rigs and what/how many were coming in? According to the article people were making $125,000 each vehicle ($150,000 sale price - $25,000 vehicle cost). I would think there were a lot more expenses than just the $25,000 vehicle cost (which I also think is low) and time/hassle to make this really a worthwhile venture for someone other than an enthusiast.

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Probably to renew the precedent set in the past. Every now and again, they show up and enforce the laws. Skylines are memorable even to people who dont know what they are. People were bringing in VWs a little while ago. They took possession of a MKII Rallye Golf and shredded it. Its all about precedent. Reset the bar every now and again.
So we'll just wait a year or so and they'll move on to the next snuck-in line of vehicles or are you saying there will be a new bar height and it will be like this here on out?

I'm not current with the Skylines/VW's so not sure where they are at import wise these days.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 01:08 PM
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Old April 16th, 2013, 01:11 PM
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Im wondering why one is sitting at the port. I cannot imagine why someone would take a POS like that anywhere. The Wrangler I get. A wetnoodle like XJ? Not so much.
US Military bringing their POVs home from Europe in the course of a PCS move. Happens every day.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 01:31 PM
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Does anyone have a approx number on what guys were making on the Puma rigs and what/how many were coming in? According to the article people were making $125,000 each vehicle ($150,000 sale price - $25,000 vehicle cost). I would think there were a lot more expenses than just the $25,000 vehicle cost (which I also think is low) and time/hassle to make this really a worthwhile venture for someone other than an enthusiast.
How much effort and cost is there really in just putting a galv chassis on a newer vehicle and swapping the VIN plate? That is what they are after but the easiest way to prevent the problem from happening is to just assume anything appearing rebuilt is not original or original equivalent.

Anybody that works for any government agency or related entity knows how they operate. They come up with a plan to attack a problem that usually is not perfect or the most accurate but gets the desired results based on whatever metrics they selected. It is probably significantly easier and cheaper to blanket reject anything that might resemble a newer VIN swapped vehicle because they don't have to waste time figuring out that it is legitimately rebuilt. That is also the easiest way to ensure the vehicle is not VIN swapped. Who would swap a VIN plate to another rusted out truck? Most people seem to think that CBP/DHS do not know what they are doing, but they are succeeding in their objective which they outlined in that article/bulletin posted earlier in this thread.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 02:03 PM
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Not quite sure what you mean by that.

As for Land Rover imports, those push button doors weren't introduced 25 years ago. That's an easy way of spotting modifications to the vehicle and encourages CBP a division of DHS to look a a particular vehicle further.
yeah they were. introduced in 87 and on all the 88 county's. See post 12 in this thread.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 02:03 PM
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US Military bringing their POVs home from Europe in the course of a PCS move. Happens every day.
Talking about Military wonder if 85Red110 has an update.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 02:03 PM
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Old April 16th, 2013, 02:18 PM
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So we'll just wait a year or so and they'll move on to the next snuck-in line of vehicles or are you saying there will be a new bar height and it will be like this here on out?

I'm not current with the Skylines/VW's so not sure where they are at import wise these days.
Eh, who knows. The Skylines cases are seriously twisted. If youre looking for an entertaining story involving DOT, EPA, crime, etc..., read the attached story.

The VW one I am trying to find. If I remember correctly, guys were bringing in Rallye Golfs which were supercharged, syncro, wide body MKII Golfs used to homologate. People were VIN swapping, etc... to get them in. A couple slipped by and a guy in New York had one. The importer had done some questionable work to get it in. The NY DMV caught wind and he was ordered to surrender the shell for destruction. He was able, however, to keep some of the drivetrain as it was available in the US in other VW products. I think he got off lightly in that regard. If the postings by him on the interwebs are to be believed, they offered in court arbitration but he was looking at at least $10k in legal fees that he didnt feel like paying. Pictures are pretty brutal because it was a very nice car.
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Does anyone have a approx number on what guys were making on the Puma rigs and what/how many were coming in? According to the article people were making $125,000 each vehicle ($150,000 sale price - $25,000 vehicle cost). I would think there were a lot more expenses than just the $25,000 vehicle cost (which I also think is low) and time/hassle to make this really a worthwhile venture for someone other than an enthusiast.

I feel that is clearly off but inflated by the highest number they saw. What about al the 15k Defenders? those seem like more of the average.
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I remember a few years ago there was a guy with a VW golf rallye that customs/nys DMV demanded he surrender or face jail time. He gave them a cut up bare frame with all the syncro bits removed so he could graft them onto a mk2 donor car..

found the thread: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...rallye+customs
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Im wondering why one is sitting at the port. I cannot imagine why someone would take a POS like that anywhere. The Wrangler I get. A wetnoodle like XJ? Not so much.
Believe it or not we actually ship US manufactured goods out. That said, @ most US ports, vehicles out bound are usually parked pointing towards the water and arriving pointing inland (longshoreman aren't known for their powers of reasoning so things are kept simple). Those two trucks are pointed the same direction as the arriving 110 so more than likely returning military as Chris suggests.
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The take-away I have from the threads is:

1. Import with a pro like Doug. Pay him and avoid trouble. Upgrade/fix in the USA.

2. Do NAS stuff. Upgrade with these same shops.

Just keeping it legal seems so much better than getting the attention of the federal government. Pay the taxes needed. Keeps the labor and such in the USA and having people skilled in the country is good for our side of the pond.

I am sorry for the person in limbo in one of the threads. The whole mess is silly and unfair...some seem to get away with whatever and others not a bolt.

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