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Old March 10th, 2015, 02:16 PM
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Hi all. I have sold quite a few 109 LWB cars and this the first 90 I have sold. The 109's have gone very fast with minimal things done to them. However I have spent loads of time and money on the 90 that I have up for sale. In my opinion it is a stunning condition and good looking Truck. LHD as well low miles. No rust either as it is from Spain. So why no interest on eBay or here? Price too high? It is half the price of an NAS nearly half the price of a lesser cream car that is currently on eBay. Although i think he is living in Cuckoo land if he thinks he is going to get that. I have provided tons of photos videos etc. What's going on?
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Yep that one.
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Old March 10th, 2015, 02:29 PM
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My $0.02 (which just sort of aligns with my personal preferences):
- people prefer NAS 90s over ROW 90s (safety, aesthetics, etc)
- people are more likely to purchase a ROW 110 over a NAS 110 (bottom line...price, but I prefer the look of a ROW 110 anyhow)

The above, coupled with the sight-unseen thing if it's out of country (and the import shenanigans over the past year or so)...but that said, it does seem like a very nice vehicle from a condition standpoint. You may just have to wait it out, or drop a little bit down in the teens for price (versus $20-ish).
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Old March 10th, 2015, 02:37 PM
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My $0.02 (which just sort of aligns with my personal preferences):


The above, coupled with the sight-unseen thing if it's out of country (and the import shenanigans over the past year or so)...but that said, it does seem like a very nice vehicle from a condition standpoint. You may just have to wait it out, or drop a little bit down in the teens for price (versus $20-ish).
Differences, an external Roll cage and some bigger lights on plinths?
I have tried to cover the sight unseen bit with a Video Tour around the vehicle plus a 17 minute test drive on an extremely windy mountain road. I know how scary the buying unseen thing can be but I have a good feedback from all my customers on their cars. I personally believe that you would have to go a very long way to find a 90 NAS or ROW spec as good as this. Plus look at how many LHD's come along. Not that many. I would drive it coast to coast in the states.
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Old March 10th, 2015, 02:39 PM
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With the current import crackdown many people are very gun shy about importing, and that limits the market. Lets face it. The reason the price for an 87 D90 is what it is is the opening of the US market under the 25yr rule exemption.

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Yeah exactly. What is that thing worth in Spain or anywhere else besides the US?

The truck doesn't look bad. Those stickers on the doors catch my eyes a bit too much, and I personally dislike the black roof thing, but otherwise not a bad truck. Although it's priced at half of some NAS D90s, your price is really at the very cusp of NAS D90 ownership money for a regularly used, perhaps higher miles example here. That's likely your issue. People see the price and are forced to think "hmmm $3-4k more and I could just wait it out and search diligently for a NAS D90."
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Old March 10th, 2015, 02:40 PM
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With the current import crackdown many people are very gun shy about importing, and that limits the market. Lets face it. The reason the price for an 87 D90 is what it is is the opening of the US market under the 25yr rule exemption.

-Jeff
I can understand that from a UK car but Spain is a different case. We cannot do engine swaps, chassis etc. Ringing is un-heard of here.
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IMO. Too many modification for people to feel safe it will get through customs. If it was in the USA and titled, it would probably sell.

No idea if the price is too high or not for the USA. In Canada, it would be too high.
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my thoughts

1) It has only been two days since you posted on here. Patience.
2) Great looking truck, but if I were going to buy a non-US truck, bring it over, deal with customs, etc., they aren't hard to find for less $$$, and I could spend the difference on the mods I wanted vs. what you have put into this one. Import it, get it registered in the US, and you'll have an entirely different customer base. Plus, mods like a new grill may not affect anything real, but they do raise flags at customs, which isn't what you want.
3) Concur with Jason. I don't know many who would want a wagon and not just go ahead with a 110.

I do think it's a good looking truck, and if it were sitting in the US with local plates, it wouldn't be for sale for more than an hour in my neck of the woods.
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1) It has only been two days since you posted on here. Patience.
2) Great looking truck, but if I were going to buy a non-US truck, bring it over, deal with customs, etc., they aren't hard to find for less $$$, and I could spend the difference on the mods I wanted vs. what you have put into this one. Import it, get it registered in the US, and you'll have an entirely different customer base. Plus, mods like a new grill may not affect anything real, but they do raise flags at customs, which isn't what you want.
3) Concur with Jason. I don't know many who would want a wagon and not just go ahead with a 110.

I do think it's a good looking truck, and if it were sitting in the US with local plates, it wouldn't be for sale for more than an hour in my neck of the woods.
Hence why I have not painted it up underneath or around any screw areas. I know what they are looking for on arrival. Upon arrival anyone can see that it is an original truck then look at the paperwork, Oh yes, it's from Spain that explains the condition.
Could you find a truck that is LHD in this condition though? ;-) RHD maybe.
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I can understand that from a UK car but Spain is a different case. We cannot do engine swaps, chassis etc. Ringing is un-heard of here.
no-one here knows that ... and to be honest even if it's true no-one believes it...

Like many said if it were in the US and had plates it would likely sell easily.
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what's it worth in spain?
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no-one here knows that ... and to be honest even if it's true no-one believes it...

Like many said if it were in the US and had plates it would likely sell easily.
Trucks not stateside are basically a non-starter for most people as the horror stories are real. And any search about 'defender import' will no doubt produce articles about the recent seizures in the US. That's your main problem.

The alternative decals/paint scheme don't really resonate with the purists and enthusiasts stateside, that seems to be my experience anyway.
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what's it worth in spain?
More than UK. LHD market down here is silly. Car is a very rare case on this age. Imported from Italy in 2002. There are no other eligible importable to USA Defenders. All Santana's.

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Trucks not stateside are basically a non-starter for most people as the horror stories are real. And any search about 'defender import' will no doubt produce articles about the recent seizures in the US. That's your main problem.

The alternative decals/paint scheme don't really resonate with the purists and enthusiasts stateside, that seems to be my experience anyway.
I get what you are saying there. However it is just copied from a 2014/15 model.
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Old March 10th, 2015, 03:19 PM
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Trucks not stateside are basically a non-starter for most people as the horror stories are real. And any search about 'defender import' will no doubt produce articles about the recent seizures in the US. That's your main problem.

The alternative decals/paint scheme don't really resonate with the purists and enthusiasts stateside, that seems to be my experience anyway.
Which means...the only buyers would be companies that import the trucks for re-sale. They are not buying $20000 trucks. They are buying sub $10000 trucks, importing them and selling them for >$20000. Trucks don't magically become expensive in the USA.

In Canada, top dollar for this would be $15000 and that is pushing it, here and registered. 90s are not that desirable.
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More than UK. LHD market down here is silly. Car is a very rare case on this age. Imported from Italy in 2002. There are no other eligible importable to USA Defenders. All Santana's.
I hear ya. Well if the car is that rare there, and the LHD market there is silly, then you should have no issues getting $20k there. For someone to pay $20k here (which I personally see as quite generous) for a truck that isn't even here, then have to pay $3k or whatever to import it properly, plus inland transport, plus whatever time and fees I'm not including, I'd much rather have a NAS D90. Now if you had a NAS D90 for sale from Spain, maybe $20k would get some real interest, but right now you're asking *us* to pay you US market rate when in reality we should be paying you Spain market rate since that's where it is, and then deciding if the added tranport costs gets the truck here and titled for what other ROW 90s are going for that are already here.
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Which means...the only buyers would be companies that import the trucks for re-sale. They are not buying $20000 trucks. They are buying sub $10000 trucks, importing them and selling them for >$20000. Trucks don't magically become expensive in the USA.

In Canada, top dollar for this would be $15000 and that is pushing it, here and registered. 90s are not that desirable.
I think what you are missing out on here is Condition, condition is king especially on Defenders! Next are those $10,000 trucks LHD? Are they from Northern Europe? Salt? None of that here in the Med.
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I just bought a ROW 90 a few months ago..

I'm sorry but I wouldn't of even considered a 90 not in the states already. Half the reason for paying a premium here is to buy something documented and titled already to eliminate risks as much as possible.

My opinion, if you have a friend here in the states, ship it to them and re-list it. I would've picked it up in a heartbeat then.. and probably for more money than your asking.
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I saw it on eBay and thought, that is a decent deal. Clicked on it and thought "oh its not stateside and whats with that paint job?" So I went back to looking. Change those two things and it sells in a day. In my opinion anyway.
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I think what you are missing out on here is Condition, condition is king especially on Defenders! Next are those $10,000 trucks LHD? Are they from Northern Europe? Salt? None of that here in the Med.
You asked for advice. Now you are not listening to it. Also, your add says original and not restored. The body has been resprayed at some point before.
Assume the risk -- ship it to the states, title it, then relist for sale. Else, lower your asking price to the mid teens.
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I think what you are missing out on here is Condition, condition is king especially on Defenders! Next are those $10,000 trucks LHD? Are they from Northern Europe? Salt? None of that here in the Med.
For $20000 (USD), I can buy a LHD 300TDI 110 station wagon in the same condition in Canada quite easily. I've seen ones sell for closer to $15000.

A TD 90 is really worth a lot less and would be a hard sell regardless of price.
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