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Old February 19th, 2015, 10:39 PM
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Only problem fellas is unlike the real world where a law cannot be interpreted differently by two different parties.... The government agencies can interpret the law differently and will do so.

Basically, no new info here - what applies to the NTSB and the FHSA are different to the DHS.

Great find. But will not help to change bullshit laws by a bullshit bureaucracy.
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Old February 19th, 2015, 11:11 PM
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Now that this thread is back up, we should make sure to remember our roots. Remember why we know anything about the difference between 90s/110s/127s and Defenders. Thank you Harrie, you are missed. RIP
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Old February 19th, 2015, 11:11 PM
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This. Right here. THIS!
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wow, great find!
Are you the same Trevor who the article is written about?
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Old February 20th, 2015, 11:12 AM
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The DOT counsel letter has been on the internet for a decade and a half. There are several others, some posted linked in the "whats legal" thread. The problem continues to be that the law and enforcement/practice by CBP are @ odds. That is a common theme and Will is the first atty I have had that conversation with that is willing to pick up the fallen flag and run up the hill with it.
you are hitting the nail on the head Uncle Douglas. There is a tremendous disconnect between the actual law as worded vs. NHTSA and its interpretation of the law vs. CBP and its interpretation and enforcement of the law. these conflicts are catching up many innocent citizens in the mix, and we are paying a significantly unfair price for the inefficiencies that exist in the system.
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Old February 20th, 2015, 11:28 AM
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Well I'm not shocked or terrified.

I'm furious and I pay taxes and vote.

DHS deserves to run out of money if this is how they spend it violating citizens civil liberties instead of providing any homeland security.
Way to prioritize what is important, and what a completely unjustifiable use of my taxes dollars. There are so many incredibly higher priority concerns in front of these people and they chase this based on completely errant information.

This isn't a liberal/conservative issue. This is our government surveilling and persecuting (they freely admit)
innocent Americans.

Personally I'd like to shine a magnifying glass on this portion of what has happened in hopes that some of the blogs that have covered this story pick up on this point and fire some citizens up. This is a government agency running roughshod over citizens , and infringing on their rights with no sense of propriety, or even due process. This has virtually nothing to do about vehicles in my book, but rather a run away agency.

The US Attorney for the Eastern District of NC should be embarrassed as hell. Talk about a black mark on your record. This is far more news worthy than most of the drivel on the natl news most evenings.

Call or write your congressmen, its their job to jump in on complete bullshit like this. Lets bring some pressure to bear on the perpetrators.
Agreed. 110%. Has anyone thought of doing a FOIA request to DHS to determine the sheer man hours and non-labor costs involved in conducting this operation?

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Old February 20th, 2015, 11:54 AM
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you are hitting the nail on the head Uncle Douglas. There is a tremendous disconnect between the actual law as worded vs. NHTSA and its interpretation of the law vs. CBP and its interpretation and enforcement of the law. these conflicts are catching up many innocent citizens in the mix, and we are paying a significantly unfair price for the inefficiencies that exist in the system.
Yeah, I'm the man in the arena so to speak having imported appx 600 grey market vehicles so well versed on the disparity between letter of the law and actual enforcement.
When I anticipate friction I email EPA and or DOT before shipping to make sure we are on the same page before putting a vehicle on a ship.

Have an example coming up on a Perentie where I want to all be on the same page before shipping it. For those not in the know, a Perentie (named after a large lizard) is a Defender assembled in Australia with a galvanized chassis and an Isuzu diesel instead of a Rover engine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Perentie
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Old February 20th, 2015, 02:28 PM
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Agreed. 110%. Has anyone thought of doing a FOIA request to DHS to determine the sheer man hours and non-labor costs involved in conducting this operation?
Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think FOIA will get you that kind of information. If it's not already in a file or database somewhere you can't force an agency to create new work product via FOIA.
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Old April 2nd, 2015, 03:08 PM
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Hopefully, no news is good news. Just thought I would rattle the cage and see if there are any updates to this story.
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I met a guy just yesterday who told me he was about to buy a D110 exMoD pickup from an importer in Maine, but this guy got shut down by the Feds just before he pulled the trigger. He was under the impression that the vehicle he was going to buy was OK, but it was probably a VIN swap in the end.

Anyone hear of anything like this out of the NE?
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Old April 9th, 2015, 03:44 PM
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To all,

Good afternoon. My apologies to all for not posting any updates more recently than now. I've just had a lot on my plate for the past few months and following up here just kept having to get pushed down on my priority list.

I'm representing 24 of the 25 Land Rovers, and their owners, involved in the case. After nearly 8 months since submitting my initial Motion to Dismiss, the Court entered an Order on March 31st denying all 25 Claimants' Motions to Dismiss. So, what does that mean? Well, it means little other than that we've buckled in for the long haul with our sights now set on going to trial. We've already been conducting discovery and I intend to continue to do so. No date for a trial has been set as yet. I would love to be able to share other particulars regarding my experiences thus far in the case, but I'm afraid that I'm just not able to do so at this point.

I can tell you that working on this case is very fulfilling. I imagine it almost goes without saying that it takes up a significant portion of my time. So much in fact that, after much thought, discussion and prayer with my wife, I made the decision to resign my position with the State of North Carolina and concentrate my efforts on this case and on other future endeavors. Please know that there were other factors involved, but those aside, I ultimately feel that it was the best decision for me, both personally and professionally. My representation in this case will continue to be pro bono (i.e., without charge for my time).

I thank all of you in the Defender Source and Land Rover enthusiast communities once again for your continued support in this case. It means a great deal to both me and to my clients. I'd also like to thank those enthusiasts from other facets of the automotive world who've discovered and taken an interest in our case. The outpouring of support has been truly overwhelming at times to say the least.

Please continue to keep these owners in your thoughts and I will continue to do my best to keep you all updated on the case when I can. My best to you all and please have a great day!

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Wow. Outstanding Will. Thank you, from all of us enthusiasts.
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Old April 9th, 2015, 04:10 PM
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Will, if you need some cash, you can always take a part time job writing service orders at an LR dealership...
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Thank you Will. Very noble endeavor.
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Old April 9th, 2015, 04:21 PM
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Amen to that. Sounds like it's time to pony up again, gang. Is the "Defender of the Defenders" site still up for donations?
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Old April 9th, 2015, 04:31 PM
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wow Will!! What a change...I hope hanging your shingle up works real well for you. Best part of doing that is the network of folks you know. This forum is a pretty big networking environment Good luck mate.
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I always have a huge amount of respect for people that are able to do what fulfills them the most. Thank you Will, for inspiring a whole bunch of people.
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This is good stuff. The kind of work ethics and hard work we should all strive for. Thank you.
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