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Old July 16th, 2014, 02:46 PM
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So I was going to design a T-Shirt for Kent's truck as a fundraiser... seems even more relevant now.
Any interest in getting something like this printed up? In poor taste?

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Just found out a fairly well known individual who exports motors and vehicles to the US and Canada was raided yesterday AM as well in the UK.


Not my place to spread any rumor or mention names but it does show direct connection UK and US in this.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 02:53 PM
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JLRNA is involved for exactly the same reason that Mercedes was involved in establishing the 25 year rule to begin with. Their mistaken assumptions are that every grey market import is a lost sale for them. In reality I and many others of us will never be a new Land Rover customer.

There are many things we can do and I think that the first order of business should be that we organize and petition in order to reduce or remove the 25 year old rule. Who's with me? Something good needs to come out of this. If this doesn't change soon I swear I'll move back to my homeland, the evil socialist paradise of Sweden and the first thing I will do will be to go out and buy myself a brand new 2014 Land Rover Defender.
There was a petition...it failed. Was on Whitehouse.Gov

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Old July 16th, 2014, 02:54 PM
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You have to have standing for a class action suit??? FOIA really you have got to be kidding!!! If you get a response in a timely manner you get a bunch of redacted crap. Might want to read up on the law etc. If you are the owner of a vehicle that was seized you have the right to discovery. You can ask for emails etc and everything under the sun between JLRNA. DHS and the various UK ministries but who knows what you get since there are also criminal cases pending. And will it really help get your vehicle back and can you afford billable hours to have your attorney go through reams of crap. Also remember currently that many govt hard drives etc are infected with various maladies that result in crucial data disappearing.

Do you know the difference between a FOIA request and Privacy Act request??? Read up on it.

Man some of you are really paranoid. Stop listening to Rushie, Glennie, whats her name, and Seanie. Your govt is not that competent and DHS is facing big funding issues. For owners of seized vehicles DHS's funding issues can be used by your attorney to your advantage.

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/ydxnv0b1zz...2014.44.44.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4gfc783tr6...2014.44.25.png

So I was going to design a T-Shirt for Kent's truck as a fundraiser... seems even more relevant now.
Any interest in getting something like this printed up? In poor taste?

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I like it! I'd buy one.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 02:55 PM
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I don't know but seemingly 60+ owners of vehicles purchased from a licensed and bonded NC auto dealership with clear NC titles would have a case since their cars have been seized by the Federal gov. Seems like a very legit jump off point to me. The financial losses here are huge. What the hell is a dealerships bond for if not this ?

Media pressure exposing these seizures by tactical groups is about the only way to get the person driving the bus @ Customs to rethink.

I don't read anyone here feeling the feds are competent- on the contrary they seem to be led around by the nose like an old ox with a ring in its nose by JLRNA
Uncle Doug,

How has media pressure worked when it comes to IRS scandals and other scandals involving the Feds when the aggrieved party is largely made up of white males with jobs??? Huh? Not great since they dont get much play outside of Fox News and Tea Party loving radio personalties

Now media pressure works great to get the Federal govt moving if the group involved is minority children hoping for a better life in the US or if they are residents of Gaza being used as human shields and being sent to Paradise by Israeli planes, missiles and artillery.

Sorry Defender owners just dont play well on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC and ABC.

The person driving bus at Customs has bigger concerns ie like having enough funding for his agency and his boss the Secretary of DHS has the same concerns for all of DHS. The current situation involving our border with Mexico trumps ie mostly well off white male Defender owners who may not have done their due diligence when they purchased their vehicles. Now if some big Obama and contributor to Dems got his Defender seized you might have a chance if this individual is a minority, from the Transgender community and lives in state where he/she cant marry their partner who is an illegal Transgender alien from El Salvador who currently has minor children in Texas awaiting a hearing on their immigration status.

Call Rush, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham and the perfect "36" 12-12-12 Ann Coulter maybe they can help

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Old July 16th, 2014, 02:56 PM
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Outside of picketing JLRNA's offices and put some pressure on them for lying/ intentionally mis-identifying these trucks, get an attorney to file a class action suit and stop this crap immediately.

The warrant posted is a civil forfeiture, get an attorney in their faces and require all notes between JLRNA and US Customs and UK agencies under the FOIA. I feel like Customs and JLRNA actions have been more disreputable/devoid of moral turpitude than the original importer.
They should be ashamed and we need to make them feel ashamed for their actions. Anyone know a news reporter ?

I agree with you Doug. Post #12

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Old July 16th, 2014, 02:57 PM
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Go back to where you came from troll.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 02:59 PM
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Therein lies the difference. They actually gave you a copy of the warrant. I haven't even SEEN the one used when mine was "seized", despite my requests.

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I'm sure Aaron got some sort of warrant when your Defender was seized from his property.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 03:03 PM
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So? Was that our last and only chance... ever? I signed that petition.

It failed because many of those who care and are affected were either too afraid to put their name on a government sign up list or didn't think it would matter. It matters. In fact, the only way that this will ever change is if we get our shit together and organize to change the law. I for one would be interested in chipping in for legal council to get this moving. So much anger and paranoia here and a surprising amount of apathy. If this event doesn't make you want to act to change things I'm afraid nothing will.

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There was a petition...it failed. Was on Whitehouse.Gov

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...rucks/KFydJwv9
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Old July 16th, 2014, 03:08 PM
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Not saying it was our last/only chance, just that it was a huge petition and shared on every car site out there and still failed. I will always sign & share but we need more people to be willing.
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I agree and I can guarantee you this; if we give up it will never change.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 03:15 PM
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Uncle Doug,

How has media pressure worked when it comes to IRS scandals and other scandals involving the Feds when the aggrieved party is largely made up of white males with jobs??? Huh? Not great since they dont get much play outside of Fox News and Tea Party loving radio personalties

Now media pressure works great to get the Federal govt moving if the group involved is minority children hoping for a better life in the US or if they are residents of Gaza being used as human shields and being sent to Paradise by Israeli planes, missiles and artillery.

Sorry Defender owners just dont play well on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC and ABC.

The person driving bus at Customs has bigger concerns ie like having enough funding for his agency and his boss the Secretary of DHS has the same concerns for all of DHS. The current situation involving our border with Mexico trumps ie mostly well off white male Defender owners who may not have done their due diligence when they purchased their vehicles. Now if some big Obama and contributor to Dems got his Defender seized you might have a chance if this individual is a minority, from the Transgender community and lives in state where he/she cant marry their partner who is an illegal Transgender alien from El Salvador who currently has minor children in Texas awaiting a hearing on their immigration status.

Call Rush, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham and the perfect "36" 12-12-12 Ann Coulter maybe they can help

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Surely you aren't that slow. Driving the bus on this particular case, not a budgetary person in DC. In no way would I suggest we might effect a policy change, but possibly change the way the officer running the case is handling it- damn right I think that"s doable.
Not sure why you continue to infuse Fox news comments into each of your posts unless you are bent on making everyone aware you are left of center, not that you aren't entitled, just odd that you feel the need to hammer it in ea post. Perhaps you could post something constructive as opposed to sarcasm and pissing on others. Local news stories get picked up by networks on slow news days all the time. A follow up by the original Wilmington reporter would be great. This story got a fair amount of press the first time around and considerably fewer vehicles were involved.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 03:23 PM
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Great post # 4 troll. I will be at several events coming up in the next few months, feel free to show up and tell me that in person.
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If every person on this board that lost a truck chipped in for a single lawyer to represent their group it wouldn't cost very much. $300 an hour divided by 6 people....... Cheaper than a Booster Club meeting bar bill. Lawyer up now or you will wish you had and communicate via email or PM, not out here in the open.
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There was a petition...it failed. Was on Whitehouse.Gov

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I think he means handwritten, in person and actual.
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Great post # 4 troll. I will be at several events coming up in the next few months, feel free to show up and tell me that in person.
I doubt he'd show up, Raub. It might get mud on his Prius.
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Wake Up !

In the post 9/11 world were we have completely militarized so many different agencies and given them broad reaching to almost unlimited powers under the guise of Homeland Security this is no longer the case.

Seemingly many Americans aren't aware of the civil liberties we have surrendered over the past 13 years, or just don't care.

This is Customs acting to cover their blunders @ Wilmington. I know from speaking with a shipping line rep that every single one of Aaron's containers was opened, inspected by Customs Officers and had Department of Agriculture through them as well. This all happened @ US Customs Intensive Exam warehouse in Wilmington, not @ the port. IE they went over each of these vehicles with a fine tooth comb @ the time entry was granted . FYI Department of Agriculture officers @ the port wear body armor and guns- WTF ?

Yes they should have contacted owners of said vehicles 3-4 years after the fact and asked to schedule an inspection as opposed to seizing them. This is a perfect example of an agency overstepping what is right.

What the hell are US Customs thinking taking and brandish weapons to seize a vehicle from owners who they freely acknowledge have committed no crime and are oblivious ? Completely uncalled for. They seem to have forgotten who their employer is, the tax paying public they are pointing their guns at.

That opens another argument, who's to say what the condition of the truck was when it was imported. I know of several of Aarons "restoration candidates" that after being bought off of ebay have been completely taken apart rebuilt with new and used components bought from any possible sources whether it be ebay UK sellers or stateside vendors by the individuals who bought them. Several of these trucks bare little if any resemblance to the truck originally imported. How seizing a truck that's been here for nearly 5 years could be useful evidence seems very thin to me.

Its amazing to me how few here are angered by whats transpiring, despite the fact that its striking so close to home for all.
Bull's eye.

I try to shy away from political discussions online anymore... anyone from DWeb the last 10 years knows what I mean... But there is simply no denying that whatever the issue that is going on with this particular investigation, this is an example of a government out of bounds.

As I said in my previous post, this is a symptom of a government that has a deep cancer. It's the oil sheen pointing to the big spill. The tip of the iceburg that has nothing to do with Land Rovers. This is the benevolent busy-body tyranny.

HOWEVER!! I agree that stolen parts rings and fraud needs to be stopped! Even if it is a stupid law in the first place. Committing fraud is not the way to make a political statement about it, or to attempt to exercise your rights. But to punish the people who are two, three, four degrees removed from the actual crime is not the right way to conduct government.

Again, I feel really bad for those people who had their trucks taken. It isn't right. Especially if you went through the steps to purchase a legal vehicle in good faith. BUT! Even if you bought it knowing that it was a gamble, you don't deserve to be treated like this. There are other ways to go about it.
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I am new to all this US law so please don't all jump on top of me but here's my take on this as preached to me by a certain North Carolina seller with loads of letters and words as to the fact that he is US bonded TWIC blah blah.
He informed me that the whole idea of the US customs bonded is that it is like an insurance. If the car is later impounded for any reason, the insurance in the form of the bond that the seller has comes into play. Does this now not work for any of the affected people? Or is it not worth the paper it is written on like so many insurances?
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