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Old July 16th, 2014, 12:51 PM
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Old July 16th, 2014, 12:55 PM
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Question: " What year is your Land Rover?"

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Old July 16th, 2014, 12:56 PM
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That opens another argument, who's to say what the condition of the truck was when it was imported. I know of several of Aarons "restoration candidates" that after being bought off of ebay have been completely taken apart rebuilt with new and used components bought from any possible sources whether it be ebay UK sellers or stateside vendors by the individuals who bought them. Several of these trucks bare little if any resemblance to the truck originally imported. How seizing a truck that's been here for nearly 5 years could be useful evidence seems very thin to me.

Its amazing to me how few here are angered by whats transpiring, despite the fact that its striking so close to home for all.
Exactly my point (I thought?). Many of us trade doors, body panels, even engines at our swap meets - there are no receipts, there is really nothing to go off of. Then we do the work ourselves, so there is not even a mechanic's receipt to show billed for the work. I would think that it would be very very difficult for our CBP boys to prove that the vehicles entered with any potential "illegal" parts bolted to them, when clearly any/all of that work could have (legally) been conducted here in the US AFTER they were imported.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 12:56 PM
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I know Aaron well enough to say, he isn't stupid enough to knowingly deal in stolen cars/parts. And if US Customs couldn't determine that a vehicle was stolen or otherwise illegal, then how was he supposed to?

At the same time, he bought and brought over some god awful piles of shit. Wolf fab had one of the better ones I saw, you may remember the shape it was in. It wouldn't surprise me if the cheap bastard previous owners in the UK of these basket cases resorted to the least expensive parts they could find for these trucks- perhaps even "secondhand" items from "Midnite Landy Breakers"
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Old July 16th, 2014, 12:56 PM
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Outside of picketing JLRNA's offices and put some pressure on them for lying/ intentionally mis-identifying these trucks, get an attorney to file a class action suit and stop this crap immediately.

The warrant posted is a civil forfeiture, get an attorney in their faces and require all notes between JLRNA and US Customs and UK agencies under the FOIA. I feel like Customs and JLRNA actions have been more disreputable/devoid of moral turpitude than the original importer.
They should be ashamed and we need to make them feel ashamed for their actions. Anyone know a news reporter ?
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Old July 16th, 2014, 01:00 PM
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Doug you have to listen to an old country comic named Roy D. Mercer, just in case they didn't teach you about the classics at Macon. "How big a boy are ya" should definitely be your new tag line.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 01:00 PM
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Submitted story to Jalopnik.

Actually not a terrible article. Nothing too ground breaking though.


http://jalopnik.com/the-feds-just-se...u-s-1605985758
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Old July 16th, 2014, 01:00 PM
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It's now on Jalopnik: http://jalopnik.com/the-feds-just-se...u-s-1605985758

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Old July 16th, 2014, 01:02 PM
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It seems to be coming to light that this seizure is NOT so much related to import compliance but rather related to an investigation into auto theft and distribution of stolen property. Whether Aaron Richardet was knowingly or unknowingly involved in this illicit behavior is unknown.

IF this is in fact the case, then CBP's reaction is certainly more understandable.

(They are responding to an ongoing investigation into a multi-million dollar international auto theft ring... not just a few blokes with imported Defenders)

HUGE DIFFERENCE.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 01:02 PM
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Question: " What year is your Land Rover?"

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Isn't that the truth.....



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Old July 16th, 2014, 01:04 PM
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^ What Doug said. Make them prove their case. If you don't you're likely going to lose your vehicle. Several could band together and hire a NC lawyer to represent them in the court hearings.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 01:05 PM
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If every person on this board that lost a truck chipped in for a single lawyer to represent their group it wouldn't cost very much. $300 an hour divided by 6 people....... Cheaper than a Booster Club meeting bar bill. Lawyer up now or you will wish you had and communicate via email or PM, not out here in the open.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 01:07 PM
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Wake Up !

Seemingly many Americans aren't aware of the civil liberties we have surrendered over the past 13 years.

Its amazing to me how few here are angered by whats transpiring, despite the fact that its striking so close to home for all.
This is a common refrain and it's completely untrue. We know and we are angry.

The question is, how do you really fight a government that grows in size and is indifferent to civil liberties as a justification for its moral certitude? Write your representative? Sure, that will go far. Vote them bums out? The next guy promising nirvana will get voted in.

The only thing that works is a group voice large enough and capitalized enough. The Tea Party comes to mind, but we all see how well the message translates through the mainstream media.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 01:11 PM
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Outside of picketing JLRNA's offices for lying, get an attorney to file a class action suit and stop this crap immediately. The warrant posted is a civil forfeiture, get an attorney in their faces and require all notes between JLRNA and US Customs and UK agencies under the FOIA.
You have to have standing for a class action suit??? FOIA really you have got to be kidding!!! If you get a response in a timely manner you get a bunch of redacted crap. Might want to read up on the law etc. If you are the owner of a vehicle that was seized you have the right to discovery. You can ask for emails etc and everything under the sun between JLRNA. DHS and the various UK ministries but who knows what you get since there are also criminal cases pending. And will it really help get your vehicle back and can you afford billable hours to have your attorney go through reams of crap. Also remember currently that many govt hard drives etc are infected with various maladies that result in crucial data disappearing.

Do you know the difference between a FOIA request and Privacy Act request??? Read up on it.

Man some of you are really paranoid. Stop listening to Rushie, Glennie, whats her name, and Seanie. Your govt is not that competent and DHS is facing big funding issues. For owners of seized vehicles DHS's funding issues can be used by your attorney to your advantage.

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Old July 16th, 2014, 01:31 PM
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That was written in the warrant I received pertaining to this seizure. The Agents from DHS told me to make sure I get as much information about my ownership as possible.
Therein lies the difference. They actually gave you a copy of the warrant. I haven't even SEEN the one used when mine was "seized", despite my requests.

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Old July 16th, 2014, 01:33 PM
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You have to have standing for a class action suit??? FOIA really you have got to be kidding!!! If you get a response in a timely manner you get a bunch of redacted crap. Might want to read up on the law etc. If you are the owner of a vehicle that was seized you have the right to discovery. You can ask for emails etc and everything under the sun between JLRNA. DHS and the various UK ministries but who knows what you get since there are also criminal cases pending. And will it really help get your vehicle back and can you afford billable hours to have your attorney go through reams of crap. Also remember currently that many govt hard drives etc are infected with various maladies that result in crucial data disappearing.

Do you know the difference between a FOIA request and Privacy Act request??? Read up on it.

Man some of you are really paranoid. Stop listening to Rushie, Glennie, whats her name, and Seanie. Your govt is not that competent and DHS is facing big funding issues. For owners of seized vehicles DHS's funding issues can be used by your attorney to your advantage.

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I don't know but seemingly 60+ owners of vehicles purchased from a licensed and bonded NC auto dealership with clear NC titles would have a case since their cars have been seized by the Federal gov. Seems like a very legit standing/jump off point to me. The financial losses here are huge. What the hell is a dealerships bond for if not this ?

Media pressure exposing these seizures by tactical groups is about the only way to get the person driving the bus @ Customs to rethink.

I don't read anyone here feeling the feds are competent- on the contrary they seem to be led around by the nose like an old ox with a ring in its nose by JLRNA
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One would partly assume that JLRNA involvement is driven to stop the old school vehicles, so loved and appreciated, and up the sales of the urban mall crawlers they tout as 'Land Rovers' these days.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 01:38 PM
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I don't know but seemingly 60+ owners of vehicles purchased from a licensed and bonded NC auto dealership with clear NC titles would have a case since there cars have been seized by the Federal gov. Seems like a very legit jump off point to me. The financial losses here are huge.

Media pressure exposing these seizures by tactical groups is about the only way to get the person driving the bus @ Customs to rethink.

I don't read anyone here feeling the feds are competent- on the contrary they seem to be led around by the nose like an old ox by JLRNA
Yeah the media! John Mayer can write a protest song and perform it live on the Ellen show!

Oh you mean the other media, the don't laugh-at-us media.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 01:44 PM
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Outside of picketing JLRNA's offices and put some pressure on them for lying/ intentionally mis-identifying these trucks, get an attorney to file a class action suit and stop this crap immediately. The warrant posted is a civil forfeiture, get an attorney in their faces and require all notes between JLRNA and US Customs and UK agencies under the FOIA. I feel like Customs and JLRNA actions have been more disreputable/devoid of moral turpitude than the original importer. They should be ashamed and we need to make them feel ashamed for their actions. Anyone know a news reporter ?
First off, I feel bad as hell for the folks who got their vehicles taken away and in the way it was done. Like was mentioned why take a vehicle when the current owner has nothing to hide and that the vehicle today could be totally different than the vehicle 3-5 years ago. (Hell any vehicle used for 3-5 years can be much different than its original shape).

Surprised no one has mentioned money yet in this thread. Who stands to gain from all this? Certainly not the poor slob that bought a truck that has been in the US for years and had no clue. And now has to look forward to paying legal fees, not to mention money and time spent from family and work to deal with this. And that is even if they get their vehicle back. It has been years for Kent, correct (so no reason to be paranoid, right?) Lots of time, money and resources tied up in all this.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 01:46 PM
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JLRNA is involved for exactly the same reason that Mercedes was involved in establishing the 25 year rule to begin with. Their mistaken assumptions are that every grey market import is a lost sale for them. In reality I and many others of us will never be a new Land Rover customer.

There are many things we can do and I think that the first order of business should be that we organize and petition in order to reduce or remove the 25 year old rule. Who's with me? Something good needs to come out of this. If this doesn't change soon I swear I'll move back to my homeland, the evil socialist paradise of Sweden and the first thing I will do will be to go out and buy myself a brand new 2014 Land Rover Defender.
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