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Old July 16th, 2014, 08:08 AM
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I have no idea what the reasons for why Aaron has not commented. I don't know him and have never had any contact with him. For this reason I'm not making assumptions about him or his actions. I'm not judging his business, his employees or any goods he may have traded in as I have no first hand knowledge. Perhaps you could consider doing the same?
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Old July 16th, 2014, 08:17 AM
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This is the post that worries me the most.At one point it could have all been tied to the NY thing. Then this car pops up that is obviously so original that this whole thing starts to lose any sense.
This post is hearsay. Short of an individual coming forth and saying "My truck was seized" any post by some random individual on the internet saying "I had a buddy who got his truck seized" is nothing to get worked up about.

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But, as this is likely a civil action
I find it unlikely that a Federal agency would go on a multi-state seizure for a civil action. A civil suit where the burden of proof is shifted to a Federal Agency is highly unlikely.

Another of the many worrisome things about all this is that is most likely a criminal case - namely that the affected individuals are not plaintiffs in the suit, therefore renumeration is also unlikely.

The other alternative is this is the vehicular equivalent of the NYC Pinball raids of the 70's where the government went around smashing illegal pinball machines with sledgehammers wherever they were. If that's the case, then this is not a suit, this is just plain federal action.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 08:27 AM
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Um, how about No.
You seem really fast to be dumping shit on other people. I just happened to log on yesterday so that I could contact the guy that bought some used seats from us. If I had not done that I would have no knowledge of any of this. Sometimes people with busy companies don't log on this site every day.
The thread was only live for half a day and you were already throwing ECR under the bus? Sometimes I don't check this site for months. Now you are tossing other companies under the same bus because they have not logged on and defended themselves for something that they may have no part in?
Are you just into conspiracy or what?

I have no dog in this fight and maybe people did some serious wrong, but the fact that a person/company (and maybe someone who is dealing with some serious crap right now (crap more important than a forum)) hasn't logged on to satisfy your curiosity fast enough does not automatically mean they are guilty.

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Check your ego at the door.. You are making ass-umptions.. My reference may well have been this.... With you being one of the biggest dealers/players in the defender community if it was more widespread than Aaron's trucks then they may have visited you.. My comment there may have been that you may have some insight or visits from people who knew what was going on... Don't make me believe everything I have heard about you,,,
Second... It was reported that Aaron was signed on to the board at approx 4 pm yesterday afternoon, if that was the case.. A simple comment that he can't say anything as he has been told not to would have been non-incriminating and at least let people know his reasons for silence... I never said that he had to bear his soul and pour out a complete confession or denial... Saying Something is better than saying nothing..
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Old July 16th, 2014, 08:31 AM
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Um, how about No. You seem really fast to be dumping shit on other people. I just happened to log on yesterday so that I could contact the guy that bought some used seats from us. If I had not done that I would have no knowledge of any of this. Sometimes people with busy companies don't log on this site every day. The thread was only live for half a day and you were already throwing ECR under the bus? Sometimes I don't check this site for months. Now you are tossing other companies under the same bus because they have not logged on and defended themselves for something that they may have no part in? Are you just into conspiracy or what? I have no dog in this fight and maybe people did some serious wrong, but the fact that a person/company (and maybe someone who is dealing with some serious crap right now (crap more important than a forum)) hasn't logged on to satisfy your curiosity fast enough does not automatically mean they are guilty. http://www.youtube.com/embed/MA2NDf9LdDE

I actually agree with this sentiment. Not sure why we are summarily throwing people's company names into this thread. There is only 1 single individual that seems tied to this and even that isn't confirmed by anything other the widely held belief of board members and the community.

I think this is heartbreaking enough without people name dropping shops and individuals who might have had one of these trucks pass through their business. The focus at this point should be the recourse for these poor citizens who have had their property seized by a government agency
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Old July 16th, 2014, 08:36 AM
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I actually agree with this sentiment. Not sure why we are summarily throwing people's company names into this thread. There is only 1 single individual that seems tied to this and even that isn't confirmed by anything other the widely held belief of board members and the community. I think this is heartbreaking enough without people name dropping shops and individuals who might have had one of these trucks pass through their business. The focus at this point should be the recourse for these poor citizens who have had their property seized by a government agency
I second the ECR posting. Everyone should be real careful about throwing anyone under the bus. These comments never go away, and are never deleted. That type of speculation at someone else's expense (without any facts to substantiate) truly is Internet behavior at its worst. Lastly, this thread has become a total disaster - albeit quite entertaining.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 08:36 AM
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Old July 16th, 2014, 08:40 AM
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Don't make me believe everything I have heard about you,,,
I've never even heard of you, and you are already are making an "impression".

Go ahead and wind-bag it up. I don't appear to be the only one who thinks you are out of line, so I'll take solace in that and get back to work.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 08:44 AM
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I second the ECR posting. Everyone should be real careful about throwing anyone under the bus. These comments never go away, and are never deleted. That type of speculation at someone else's expense (without any facts to substantiate) truly is Internet behavior at its worst. Lastly, this thread has become a total disaster - albeit quite entertaining.
X3 - why, again, is ECR even being discussed?
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Old July 16th, 2014, 08:48 AM
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X3 - why, again, is ECR even being discussed?
I don't think they are being discussed but I was commenting on their name and the other shops and individuals names that seem to be popping up in reference to this event. I just don't think it's constructive or respectful given the gravity of the situation at hand
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Old July 16th, 2014, 08:55 AM
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Man I am ready to pull the trigger on buying an imported one...now I am getting cold feet. I know the vehicle is not associated on anyway to The NC importer as I know the original importer.

What concerns me is the post mentioning the two Swiss trucks seized without any association with the targeted NC importer

BUGGER!!!!!!
Until things cool down I would be wary of buying anything but NAS...
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Old July 16th, 2014, 08:58 AM
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Until things cool down I would be wary of buying anything but NAS...
Again as long as the vehicle is legit then it follows US law there should be nothing to worry about. There is far more to this than meets the eye. My car from Spain has been released from Customs with no problem within the time frame of all this happening.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 08:59 AM
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Old July 16th, 2014, 09:00 AM
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This is dead on. Interpol is involved as well as UK law enforcement.
Do you have a source for this?
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Old July 16th, 2014, 09:02 AM
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Until things cool down I would be wary of buying anything but NAS...
x2. There are great and trustworthy importers on this forum but the dark clouds that will likely continue to hover over RoW trucks make it a risk I'd never take again. It'll be a Series or Disco down the road for me
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Old July 16th, 2014, 09:06 AM
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Again as long as the vehicle is legit then it follows US law there should be nothing to worry about. There is far more to this than meets the eye. My car from Spain has been released from Customs with no problem within the time frame of all this happening.
Prolly cz it's not a Land Rover
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Why should they be at the border..?? There is just illegal immigrants, drug smugglers, fugitives, rapists and murderers there.. Those dangerous land rovers are more of a concern to the public safety and well being... Besides, those Mexicans and fugitives are bloody hard to catch... Have you seen some of those little suckers run..???
Now you know how to bring a new Land Rover into the US. Import it to Mexico and drive it across the Southern border. The homeland security people are obviously busy elsewhere and congress is too busy bickering to close the border.

On a more serious note, my condolences to those of you who have had your trucks seized. I sincely hope that that after examination they are found to be legal and you will be able to get them back. It sucks that you are a victim twice. Once from the exporter/importer and second from government seizure.

For those who are thinking of hiding vehicles I suggest checking with a lawyer to see if this action creates legal penalties. And there is the question of what happens when you try to renew the vehicle registration?

And lastly, Geezzzz boys why are you fighting and picking on each other??? It is hardly supportive to those who have lost their vehicles. Please tone down the testosterone and some of you should immediately go into the bathroom and wash your mouth out with soap. Such foul language. You boys should be ashamed of yourselves!
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