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Old August 6th, 2014, 04:07 PM
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Vehicle are seized every day with out warrants...
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Old August 6th, 2014, 04:11 PM
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If it really is the DHS calling you, maybe they are actually doing something right for a change. In stead of following people around, then sending "SWAT" teams to their homes, these types of investigations really should start with a phone call, inspections, and the like.

That's the thing that really bothered me about the issues this last month. OK, so maybe some trucks were illegal and even if we don't like the laws, even if the laws are actually stupid, these people don't deserve to be treated the way they were.

But, I would bet it's a scam.
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Old August 6th, 2014, 04:22 PM
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Vehicle are seized every day with out warrants...
in what cases specifically?
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Old August 6th, 2014, 04:25 PM
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cease all communication with that individual. contact willh (your attorney) first and check the warrant for your VIN.

If the VIN isn't on the warrant, then ignore that individual.

I feel really weird writing that.
Roger that.

It is scary tho - my VIN (Based on Clifton - http://www.clifton.nl/index.html?calvin.html) says that it is a 1984...with all the specs like 2.5TD, 5 speed, etc.

This is ~really~ upsetting...

I am, however, glad that there are people like Will out there...and will praise his name just for trying to help!!!

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Old August 6th, 2014, 04:27 PM
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84 should not have a turbo, they didn't come out until 86 if its a TD, later still if its a TDi.

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Roger that.

It is scary tho - my VIN (Based on Clifton - http://www.clifton.nl/index.html?calvin.html) says that it is a 1984...with all the specs like 2.5TD, 5 speed, etc.

This is ~really~ upsetting...

I am, however, glad that there are people like Will out there...and will praise his name just for trying to help!!!

- Sean
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Old August 6th, 2014, 04:37 PM
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84 should not have a turbo, they didn't come out until 86 if its a TD, later still if its a TDi.
Oh crap - that's right...they started the TD project in 84...but didn't roll them out until 86. F-me.
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Old August 6th, 2014, 04:42 PM
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Oh crap - that's right...they started the TD project in 84...but didn't roll them out until 86. F-me.
Yup, introduced on D-Reg's. You can make a 2.5NA into a TD pretty easily though without having to change the block, so its possible that might have been done to yours. Check your engine code to see what the block is.
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Old August 6th, 2014, 04:43 PM
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in what cases specifically?
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Two words…probably cause
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My understanding is that Scofflaw seizures are only done via warrant.

Without a warrant, the most they are allowed to do is boot.

Or is that different in PA?

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Two words…probably cause
Are you an attorney or a law enforcement officer? Because I have never, ever heard of a case where "probable cause" can be used as grounds for seizure of a vehicle.
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Old August 6th, 2014, 04:58 PM
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Well, I stand totally corrected, you can have a vehicle seized for probable cause in specific cases.

Not convinced that this is what's happening with the OP. And it has nothing to do with the recent DHS seizures.
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Old August 6th, 2014, 05:08 PM
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do some research…don't let the specificity of this particular case being about Defenders cloud the facts of how and when "probably cause" has lead to confiscation of material goods related to a case.

While you guys are down playing this and telling yourselves that the trucks are "ok" because they are like NAS spec trucks, the reality is there are rules and reg's which let these truck be brought in, which set's them apart from NAS Spec trucks, and then can be considered contraband if the rules and reg's were not followed. It sucks that this shit is going down and you guy's got to start grasping the fact that not only were some of the rules bent, they were blatantly broken and this is end result

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Old August 6th, 2014, 05:24 PM
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do some research…don't let the specificity of this particular case being about Defenders cloud the facts of how and when "probably cause" has lead to confiscation of material goods related to a case.

While you guys are down playing this and telling yourselves that the trucks are "ok" because they are like NAS spec trucks, the reality is there are rules and reg's which let these truck be brought in, which set's them apart from NAS Spec trucks, and then can be considered contraband if the rules and reg's were not followed. It sucks that this shit is going down and you guy's got to start grasping the fact that not only were some of the rules bent, they were blatantly broken and this is end result

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In any case, I am going to have to remove my "newish" Disco 300tdi/r380/lt230 that I was almost finished installing, remove the new tires/wheels...steel binnacle, radiator, inter-cooler, seats, exhaust, LED indicators...ooops - there goes my ulcer! [drip, drip, squish!]

I guess will let them re-install the 2.5TD and drive train...if they want it.

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Old August 6th, 2014, 05:32 PM
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Contact WillH, or another lawyer before you do anything
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Old August 6th, 2014, 05:44 PM
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Contact WillH, or another lawyer before you do anything
I have contacted him...and he is "on it".

I just cannot afford to lose the 90 AND the updates that I have done to it. And who knows what condition it would be in after they take it The dark unknown is scarier than the dark known.

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Old August 6th, 2014, 05:59 PM
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I see no reason not to pull the hubs and stubs (for wheel bearing rehab) and store the truck on blocks of wood in the back of your garage. Soon to be buried behind all the rest of the household crap that accumulates in there.

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^^ yup ^^

Or store it at a friends garage while rehabbing the hubs....


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Old August 7th, 2014, 04:32 PM
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OMG...just checked the CBP web page - and the background is some guy checking out a Defender!!!



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Old August 7th, 2014, 05:26 PM
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In any case, I am going to have to remove my "newish" Disco 300tdi/r380/lt230 that I was almost finished installing, remove the new tires/wheels...steel binnacle, radiator, inter-cooler, seats, exhaust, LED indicators...ooops - there goes my ulcer! [drip, drip, squish!]

I guess will let them re-install the 2.5TD and drive train...if they want it.

:P
Are you saying this because you are afraid it makes the car illegal, or because you are simply afraid of losing it if they do take the car?

My understanding is you can do what you want to it once it is legally imported. Right?

Of course, the engine would need to be legal as well, and road worthy laws would have to be followed, but you know what I mean.
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