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Old November 24th, 2006, 05:09 AM
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Hmmm, this looks interesting

I've recently bought a galvanised chassis and this appears on the market
Oh and the web site link/web site doesn't seem to work too well. Why do people have broken web sites when they're trying to sell things
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I've scanned the pic in from November issue of Landrover World
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Old November 24th, 2006, 09:04 AM
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Wow!, think of the possibilities...
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Old November 24th, 2006, 01:41 PM
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I'm wondering about :
A) price
B) what the DVLA would say - it's not exactly a like for like replacement.

The chassis on the 90 is 21 years old and won't last for ever.
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Old November 24th, 2006, 02:24 PM
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I wouldn't use that even it was given to me for free.
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Old November 24th, 2006, 02:35 PM
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I wouldn't use that even it was given to me for free.
Why not?
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Old November 24th, 2006, 02:36 PM
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I wouldn't use that even it was given to me for free.
why not?


I was thinking more in line with building a custom coil /diesel Rover in a series 1 body panels and style......
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Old November 24th, 2006, 02:43 PM
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It's just crying out for some sort of striped down minimal build - jolly chilly prospect here though
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Old November 24th, 2006, 05:26 PM
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Website works for me.

http://www.protectionandperformance.co.uk/

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http://www.protectionandperformance....s/241106.html#
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Old November 24th, 2006, 05:38 PM
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I wouldn't use that even it was given to me for free.
What issues do you see with this chassis frame or is it personal taste?
I'd wondered about torsional rigidity. The Bowler wild cats are a tube frame but have an integral roll cage so are more like a space frame.
I was wondering if what we see in the pic is the road going chassis or an ultra light off road offering.

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Hmm must be my computer. I can open the links you've posted but nothing happens when I click on the text on the home page so I can't get to the tubular chassis page
Now it's working Not much more than in the press release in LRW
http://www.protectionandperformance....ws/041006.html
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Old November 24th, 2006, 05:42 PM
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Old November 24th, 2006, 05:48 PM
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Got it
not the chassis, the web page
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What issues do you see with this chassis frame or is it personal taste?
I'd wondered about torsional rigidity. The Bowler wild cats are a tube frame but have an integral roll cage so are more like a space frame.
I was wondering if what we see in the pic is the road going chassis or an ultra light off road offering.

I guess I was abrupt in my last post. I had to get back to work in the garage, building a workbench. Anyway, I am in no way opposed to a tube chassis. I have one in the rear of my truck right now! Here's the big issue I have with this. First are the questions:

What is the wall thickness?
What is the OD of the tube?
What material, Chromo, Mandrel, DOM, Poop pipe?
What do the welds look like, mig, tig?

Even if everything comes out perfect, I still have serious worries about the design. It is based on a Rover frame and not a tube chassis. What I mean is that there is looks to be very little lateral support, very little triangulation. Even when I made just the rear of my D tube frame I had to integrate it into a interior sub frame and the roll cage. To me this just doesn't "look" right.

But, I am seriously no expert on this and do not have a degree in structural engineering! I am just going off my limited experience and what I have read. To give a contrast, I have always really loved what BTF did with thier Fusion Chassis. Look at the difference!

Anyway, I could be completely wrong, but I would not run it.
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The stuff they make looks pretty slick to me. One thing I eyeballed hard, was the stainless front cage..

"cage"
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Thier competition cages look very nice.
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What is the wall thickness?
What is the OD of the tube?
What material, Chromo, Mandrel, DOM, Poop pipe?
What do the welds look like, mig, tig?
Oh I wouldn't say you were abrupt, you just cut straight to the point
Maybe I'll ask them these very questions
I had a sneaky suspision yhat you'd done something tubular with the back of your 90
This is what they say about their roll cages
http://www.protectionandperformance....es/manfab.html

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There, questions sent
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Oh I wouldn't say you were abrupt, you just cut straight to the point
Maybe I'll ask them these very questions
I had a sneaky suspision yhat you'd done something tubular with the back of your 90
This is what they say about their roll cages
http://www.protectionandperformance....es/manfab.html

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Hey Mike,

According to the link you just posted they use a minimum of CDS which I think is Brit speak for DOM (drawn over Mandrel). Also 45mm minimum OD or 1.75in. If they used this to make the frame, it would be more than strong enough, assuming adequate wall thickness. The only thing that still worries me is the design. If they tied it all in with a cage then I would not have any worries running it.
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Looking at the pic there seem to be four plates at the back for a rear hoop and stays. I assume bolted through the rear load bed.
Anyway I've got to complete the 110 chassis swap and rebuild before contemplating a 90 rebuild.
The discovery got fixed and the exhaust got bolted on the 110 today so a little progress

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Hey Mike,

According to the link you just posted they use a minimum of CDS which I think is Brit speak for DOM (drawn over Mandrel). Also 45mm minimum OD or 1.75in. If they used this to make the frame, it would be more than strong enough, assuming adequate wall thickness. The only thing that still worries me is the design. If they tied it all in with a cage then I would not have any worries running it.
CDS means cold drawn seamless over here, it's the strong stuff
I'm still waiting for a reply from the people who make the things.
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