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Old January 17th, 2006, 09:33 PM
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Hawse or Derlin rollers?

So, I am switching to synthetic line on the Warn 8274 that came with my SeriesIII Coiler. The old fairlead rollers are in poor condition so go in the trash. Should I get an aluminum hawse, bolt on the brand new superwinch roller fairled that came with the winch on my Disco, or try those new Derlin rollers.
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Old January 17th, 2006, 09:46 PM
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Old January 17th, 2006, 09:59 PM
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I'd go with the hawse. BTW what are Derlin rollers? Haven't heard of them before.
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Old January 17th, 2006, 10:06 PM
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As long as the roller fairlead is new and not nicked by a steel cable, go roller! Use the one that you already have.
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Old January 17th, 2006, 10:07 PM
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It's delrin not derlin, sorry. Here is a link. http://www.roveraccessories.com/roller-rope.htm
Listed in the Vendor Specials too.
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Rollers are O.K. unless you have to winch at very steep angles. the synthetic rope can then ride into the steel bracketry holding the rollers and get chewed up pretty quickly. Stainless steel hawse fairlead is the way to go
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Go hawse or keep the rollers & cable.
Other than that,I stick to the cable,but have a synth rope as spare should the worst happen.

I would also consider a composite fairlead from Rockbuggy (49USD),nice alternative,some minor drilling is required to enlarge the holes for the bolts,as on the 8274 the fairlead mounting shares the winch mounting bolts.

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Are you going to come as spectator maybe?
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Old January 18th, 2006, 04:06 PM
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Ahh. interesting.
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I'm struggling with the same question. There's more friction with an aluminum hawse fairlead than with rollers, and therefore more heat buildup. As long as the rope is moving, this heat only contacts a given section of rope briefly. But once your winch stops, you've got rope sitting on a hot fairlead. Seems like that could be bad. The synthetic hawse fairleads, some of which are self-lubricating, might make more sense.

Delrin rollers, on the other hand, would transmit almost no heat to the rope.

There is also the mounting consideration: delrin rollers are a direct replacement for your current aluminum rollers (at least on my fairlead they are). Some of the hawse fairleads not only require redrilling, but also cutting, to enlarge the opening in your bumper to match the fairlead's.

I'm still undecided....
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I too have seen synthetic rope get chewed up when winching at extreme side angles with a roller fairlead.
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I'm struggling with the same question. (...)
Delrin rollers, on the other hand, would transmit almost no heat to the rope.
(...)I'm still undecided....
If the rollers (of any kind) are free there's no heat buildup IMHO,it's the flat iron edge of the fairlead which ruins the rope.
That's why the alu hawse as a smoothed and rounded edge.

I'm also curious to know if there's a real heat build up with one of those things (which I doubt but I may be wrong here as well)...


Anyone want to try on field and give us a report?


All in the name of science!
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Here's a few more pics from last Sunday. Winch demo challenge.
Winch motors and cables (synthetic) being tortured throughhawses not rollers.
I didn't take the photo's, they came from here
http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=2800&st=60
It was a splendid day out
The last one is Paul Wightman

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If the rollers (of any kind) are free there's no heat buildup IMHO,it's the flat iron edge of the fairlead which ruins the rope.
That's why the alu hawse as a smoothed and rounded edge.

I'm also curious to know if there's a real heat build up with one of those things (which I doubt but I may be wrong here as well)...


Anyone want to try on field and give us a report?


All in the name of science!
Yep that about sums it up.
I too very much doubt that there would be any heat build-up in the hawse.... how fast would you need to winch in to generate enough heat
The hawse is also bolted firmly (well I hope it is anyway) to a rather large heat sink in the shape of a steel bumper.
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The last one is Paul Wightman ....
Who's going to kick @ss at the MWWC this year as well...


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I too very much doubt that there would be any heat build-up in the hawse....
I'll bring over a thermocouple so we'll have the chance to get some data in real time!!



I'm joking but it could be interesting...


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On a note,I think the 3rd pic well shows the utility of an "exxxxtreme" kit in the typical (muddy) European scene...
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On a note,I think the 3rd pic well shows the utility of an "exxxxtreme" kit in the typical (muddy) European scene...
And that was just play not competition
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Talking >>>MWWC piccie

Back from the winch challenge...


YEEEEE-HAW!!!!

Cracking time!


Just a pic,I'll start a proper thread when I'll have my films developed and scanned...


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