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Old October 26th, 2007, 10:07 AM
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ground up build advice needed.

guys, considering a ground up build. i would be doing it when my new building goes up in the next few months. what i would like to know is how much of an investment am i looking at, parts only. i would also be looking for places i can get the parts from. i want to go automatic for sure. not sure if i want to do gas or diesel. i do a little towing short distance probably 7-8k lbs. would like more power than the 4.0.

any and all info would be greatly appreciated.

thank you.
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Old October 26th, 2007, 12:53 PM
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A lot of stuff there you need to figure out to get an actualy idea of cost. From what I hear a the diesel options are miserable at towing. Plus did you say you want to tow 7-8K pounds with a defender?
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Old October 26th, 2007, 01:07 PM
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We need more details.
Wheelbase 90, 110 or 130? something special 100, 103, 105?
Hard top, soft top?
tire size ?
suspension?
For towing 7-8k I think you will want a longer wheelbase than a d90
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Old October 26th, 2007, 04:26 PM
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Find something that is relatively complete as a donor vehicle. Either a euro truck without a drivetrain or an NAS defender wrecked or otherwise.
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Old October 26th, 2007, 04:41 PM
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Taking The Towing Out Of The Equation. Ideally, I Would Like A 110 4 Door Hardtop. Would Like To Run 265-75-16's Like My D90. Coil Sprung. Automatic. Would Love The Diesel But Let's Assume I Will Biulding Using Gas Motor. Thanks Guys.
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Old October 26th, 2007, 05:05 PM
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97 D90 SW $27K
D110 rear body and frame $10K
300tdi used conversion $10K
2.8 new conversion $15K
sell used d90 parts <$4K>
Obviously there can be lots of little things that you may or may not do that can affect the price.
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Old October 26th, 2007, 05:16 PM
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If I were to build a ground up LWB rig for some towing, and I'm going with my idea of a "ground up" build is, I would start with non-rover drivetrain. Maybe find a Dodge 12V or 24V Cummins engine, transmision and T-case from a wrecked truck. Use a rover front and 35 spline salisbury (D60) rear axles.

What woud be cool, is a D110 or D130 crew-cab truck, re-inforce the rear frame/suspension and set it up to be able to run a goose-neck trailer.
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130 with 2.8 tdi and lots of tents.... Now thats a vehicle
http://www.neneoverland.co.uk/4x4def...130L689BJR.htm
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if I had a large amount of time, money, and patience:


1. find a 5-door 110 body somehow

2. throw out everything but the body (that may help with importation)

3. get a galvy 110 frame

4. get a 6BT (or maybe a 300tdi that can be tuned)

5. it will need at least 33" (285/75 or 255/85)

6. find a donor disco in good shape for miscellaneous items such as LT230

7. fill in extra parts such as HD axles, springs, etc.

[I don't know how the tranny would turn out, either something that comes with the diesel or the zf from the donor]
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Ok, Lets Revisit This Project Guys. I Have A 97 D90 St With 57k Zero Rust. To Stretch This One Into A 110 What Will I Need. 110 Frame, And All The Bits And Pieces(flooring, Doors,pillars) For The Added Middle Row, Drive Shaft? Where Can I Source Those Items From. I Know I Will Need To Extend The Roll Cage, Not Too Concerned About That Part. Any Other Suggestions/ideas? Thanks Again.
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Old November 8th, 2007, 10:23 AM
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Flooring doors and pillars? Hell, you need absolutely everything rearward from the bulkhead unless you want a 110 with soft top front doors, a swing out tailgate, and the wrong tub. Basically, the only things you can keep are the front clip and rear axle. Oh, you can keep your front seats and your gas filler cap too.
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if I had a large amount of time, money, and patience:


1. find a 5-door 110 body somehow

2. throw out everything but the body (that may help with importation)

3. get a galvy 110 frame........]
What he said, X2. Sell the 90 to help finance......
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I Thought The Same Thing Out Of The Gate. Sell My 90 To Fund The Build. Should Never Second Guess. Boy I Hate To Sell This One. Clean West Coast Truck.....low Miles....damn. Alright, Any More Ideas??
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Alright, Any More Ideas??
Yeah, keep the D90 and carry as others have suggested

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A lot of stuff there you need to figure out to get an actualy idea of cost. From what I hear a the diesel options are miserable at towing. Plus did you say you want to tow 7-8K pounds with a defender?
Why would a diesel be miserable at towing? Shouldn't all the available low end torque make it much better than a gas engine? (assuming it is geared right that is).

I'm not criticizing, just wondering and hoping someone can shed some light on this.

BTW, sorry for the hijack and in an effort to add something to the orig. question...

It will cost a fortune! I am quite resourceful and my build is coming in around $15-20k (and I started with an NAS 110)! You won't believe how quickly the stupid little bits and pieces add up - esp. when you have a terminal case of ship-fitters disease like I do.
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I've towed with both the V8 and the Tdi, the only difference being that the extra power from the V8 helps on hills. The limiting factor is the allowable tounge weight and the short wheelbase, not the power.

And Andrew, you are going through the exact same process I did and finding out the exact same things. It really adds up.
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Old November 8th, 2007, 08:28 PM
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Ditto on Andrew and Jim's comments on the cost associated with any kind of do-it-yourself ground up restoration or "restification". There's a reason the pros charge - and get - the bucks they do...

Building a car from the ground up is a serious long term commitment. Cost notwithstanding, there are other intangibles to take in to consideration for those contemplating a massive DIY build, (and want to do it right). Just my .o2 cents, but to name a few:
1.) Time; to plan the project, time to research the work, time to source the parts for the build, time to disassemble, clean, blast, sort, paint and organize parts not to mention time to re-do work when you invariably busticate, scratch, cross thread or otherwise screw something up the first (second, third, et al...) time around.
2.) Space; both to do the work and to store parts, tools and assorted miscellania. (For a truly memorable experience, try stuffing a loaded unibody car rotisserie in your double car garage and see how much room you have left to maneuver...)
3.) Opportunity Cost (what you are giving up so that alternatively you can dedicate the time, energy and resources to build your vehicle). It helps having a supportive spouse/S.O. or "bar wench" (term pirated from another thread...) in this regard.

IMHO:
The easiest part of any DIY major rebuild is buying the car.
The second easiest is taking it all apart.....
(Just curious, would anyone disagree?)
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