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Old March 26th, 2008, 01:34 PM
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Exclamation Good Bye Ford, Hello Tata... It's done.

Today, Jaguar & LR, 2.3 billion US.

I like that, UK automotive owned by Indians, money also have to move south sometimes .
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Old March 26th, 2008, 05:17 PM
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i also heard this news on NPR today. Any chance that it may lead to the re-introduction of the Defender to the American market? It would be a tremendous opprotunity for the company to recoup at least a bit of its capital expenditure by marketing to a rather captive market. Then again, with petrol prices on the rise i suppose an SUV might not be as appealing to the masses as one might first think.
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Not unless they are willing to totally rework it to meet crash and emissions.
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Not unless they are willing to totally rework it to meet crash and emissions.
Jeep did it with the TJ in '96. After the brand started dying with the YJ Wrangler (square headlights), they redesigned it, made it safer and added all the safety features to include airbags. Now the TJ is even more popular than ever. And hey, they just added the 4-door TJ, so maybe there is hope for the 110! Land Rover and the Defender must evolve to survive, I am surprised Ford didn't help it evolve in the US market - maybe they felt they couldn't match Jeep. But that's another point, look at the introduction of the new FJ Cruiser after years of absence.
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Old March 26th, 2008, 08:23 PM
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The FJ reminds me a lot of the re-released Thunderbird and VW Beetle: ultimately it is a design exercise wrapped around a so-so platform. The design will fade and then the product planners must think of something new. The T-bird was low volume, so it was killed. The Beetle will hang on, but at some point must face a real overhaul.

The Mini, however, was done right. It is retro, but over a good platform that people really like. Sure the design was catchy, but the fundamentals keep it going. The FJ just isn't that special once you get past the sheetmetal (or should I say plastic). And with what, 5 suvs, its not like Toyota needed another. They should have reached farther and made it an icon.
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I agree on the FJ. I thought it was cool at first, then I found out what a big turd it was.
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I don't want to get into a pissing contest, but I have an FJ and I don't think it is a big turd. It is a great daily driver that has good out of the box 4wd abilities. It is not for everyone, but I like it. The platform is from the Prado/4 Runner. I think it is a proven platform.


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The Toyota FJ Cruiser (FJC) is a retro-style compact SUV produced by Toyota introduced as a concept at the 2003 Chicago Auto Show and in production form at the following North American International Auto Show. It went on sale in early 2006 as a 2007 model and features styling reminiscent of the original Toyota FJ40 Land Cruisers from the 1960s (particularly the front fascia and wrap around rear windows), and is based on the Land Cruiser Prado platform, which is also used by the 4Runner. The FJ cruiser was not originally intended for production but due to enormous consumer response about the car following the North American International Auto Show, production eventually began in early 2006. All FJ Cruisers are built by Hino Motors in Hamura, Japan.

Regardless of my opinion, I think that this will be good for Land Rover. I don't think Ford helped the brand one bit and I'd like to see a change. In fact, they just got done removing all of the "outdoorsy" type decor from my local dealership. Obviously realizing that the new products they are selling don't really fit in with that lifestyle. What is even funnier to me is that they asked me if they could borrow my 2 D90's to put in their showroom for the big Grand Re-opening. So, my trucks are there now in the showroom.
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Interesting you mention the dealer layout, Shawn. Recall the prototype design called for a lodge theme, replete with the rock-hill demonstrator. They really should get rid of that kiddie ride and replace it with something more appropriate, like a valet station.

I imagine there will be some unreal incentives on Jags until some sense of brand confidence is restored. Resale levels were already low, and I can't imagine consumer perception will smile on this deal. If it is true Tata is looking to quickly spin-off Jag, the marque's future doesn't seem too bright.
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Jeep did it with the TJ in '96. After the brand started dying with the YJ Wrangler (square headlights), they redesigned it, made it safer and added all the safety features to include airbags. Now the TJ is even more popular than ever. And hey, they just added the 4-door TJ, so maybe there is hope for the 110! Land Rover and the Defender must evolve to survive, I am surprised Ford didn't help it evolve in the US market - maybe they felt they couldn't match Jeep. But that's another point, look at the introduction of the new FJ Cruiser after years of absence.
True. But Jeep has always been in the US and has always sold well. The 90 was a niche truck that lets face it only a few in the US want. Plus LRNA is going for the very profitable upscale market. Sadly I might add for those of us that love the utilitarian trucks. Maybe I'm wrong and LR will bring back the Defender but I seriously doubt it.
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I'm optimistic that LR is finally owned by an automaker that is based in a country that isn't totally paved, and quickly on the economic rise with a broad wealthy class with disposable income, british roots, and understands the need for reliability due to a lack of national infrastructure. The future of LR really comes down to the mindset of the corporate HQ.

I would doubt there is even a moderate off road trail anywhere near detroit. All they can think of is soccer mom's, which was a cancer to the LR marque.
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I agree on the FJ. I thought it was cool at first, then I found out what a big turd it was.
I figured that statement would piss off some FJ owner on this board! Sorry....
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No worries! The FJ gets trashed a lot, and so do H2's and H3's and Jeeps. I just wanted to chime in.
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i also heard this news on NPR today. Any chance that it may lead to the re-introduction of the Defender to the American market?
Yes, I'm sure they will be here in about a week.

I'll be surprized if LR survives this buy-out also.
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I would doubt there is even a moderate off road trail anywhere near detroit. All they can think of is soccer mom's, which was a cancer to the LR marque.

You know it is often said the cars a nation produces are a direct reflection of their roads. While European manufacturers produced cars that could handle twisty roads in mountains, Detroit made vehicles for long straightaways and flat, open terrain with bad roads - large cushy mobiles.

Here's to hoping Tata will produce a need-based Defender for undeveloped Asia as the British once did for ag, the MoD, and the colonies.
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A "work spec" defender like the Chevy WT, Ford XL etc. would sell at a price point if it came with a diesel motor. Look at the success of the sprinter van. Way more money than the competition (ford chevy) but better mpg.

If my lotus can pass crash tests, a defender can as well.
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No worries! The FJ gets trashed a lot, and so do H2's and H3's and Jeeps. I just wanted to chime in.
I test drove the FJ and liked it. I thought it was good for what it was and the quality was nice. The one thing that was appaling was how bad the visibility was. I mean, it was damn near undrivable. I have no idea how anyone could wheel it. I could have ran over Oprah and not even seen her.
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I could have ran over Oprah and not even seen her.

Wow, that bad, huh?
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My guess - Defender production will move to somewhere cheaper[India/Turkey ??] and won't be sold in Europe or US
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