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Old September 4th, 2012, 11:41 PM
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Going to the UK and brining back a 90, to the USA.

So I have wanted a 90 since I was a kid, and now its doable, so im going for it. I am planning on purchasing a 25+ year old defender 90, with the original diesel. It needs to be original to be allowed in by the EPA and DOT, as anything under 25 years old will be subject to their rules.

My idea is to book a flight, get there, rent a car, and check out a selection of 90's from the classifieds. I am going to be purchasing one for around $4500. From what I understand, if the 90 has a current MOT and tax disc, all I need to do is get some temporary insurance and I am good to go with my American drivers license, correct?

Then, once my trip winds to an end, I am going to drop it off at the port. I have gotten a quote from a shipper of around $3000 for shipping and dealing with customs, plus another $300ish in duty fees. I have heard something about there being bonds required, but I believe the customs broker deals with that, not me... any input would be welcome here.

From there, as far as I understand, I can just bring the english paperwork to my local MA RMV and get it registered.

Once all is said and done, I will have spent about $10,000 US for an amazing trip and a defender 90 that is then worth about twice what I paid for it because it is on US soil.

Any input would be more than welcome while going through this, as this is really an experiment for me, as I have no experience what so ever going through this.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 04:25 AM
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I don't know much about importing Defenders but sounds like it would be fun. Welcome to the board.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 08:02 AM
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Who's your registered importer? Lots of threads dedicated to this on her if you browse around the search.

Also call Doug Crowther - Dividing Creek Imports - for a quote.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 08:16 AM
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In addition the Poms have woken up to the fact that you Yanks are paying exorbitant prices for their rusty shitpiles...so of course there are:

(a) a number of exporters with reputable challenges
(b) a number of exporters with great reputations
(c) prices for anything 1987 and less in good condition are high
(d) better finds at the 1988 and above level - but you have to store it in the UK for 6 mos to a year

So - you sound new to the whole equation - I WOULD DEFINITELY CALL DOUG CROWTHER - just go to the UK enjoy yourself, drink lots of beer - look at all the pretty girls (tourists) and have a fun time.

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Old September 5th, 2012, 10:28 AM
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I think Dave (ren ching) and Doug (130 tdi) did a defender scouting trip in the UK years back. Maybe you can solicit their opinions.

If you really want to make money, come back with a pile of Puma bonnets, 110 middle doors, genuine SVX grill/light combos and Blindo wheels.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 10:38 AM
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So I have wanted a 90 since I was a kid, and now its doable, so im going for it. I am planning on purchasing a 25+ year old defender 90, with the original diesel. It needs to be original to be allowed in by the EPA and DOT, as anything under 25 years old will be subject to their rules.

My idea is to book a flight, get there, rent a car, and check out a selection of 90's from the classifieds. I am going to be purchasing one for around $4500. From what I understand, if the 90 has a current MOT and tax disc, all I need to do is get some temporary insurance and I am good to go with my American drivers license, correct?

Then, once my trip winds to an end, I am going to drop it off at the port. I have gotten a quote from a shipper of around $3000 for shipping and dealing with customs, plus another $300ish in duty fees. I have heard something about there being bonds required, but I believe the customs broker deals with that, not me... any input would be welcome here.

From there, as far as I understand, I can just bring the english paperwork to my local MA RMV and get it registered.

Once all is said and done, I will have spent about $10,000 US for an amazing trip and a defender 90 that is then worth about twice what I paid for it because it is on US soil.

Any input would be more than welcome while going through this, as this is really an experiment for me, as I have no experience what so ever going through this.
Have you ever been to the UK before?
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Old September 5th, 2012, 11:10 AM
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Smart move going out there and knowing what you are getting into, I have always said it is cheaper to buy the plane ticket most times than fix junk. You may run into an issue getting insurance on the vehicle. Using a rental car is one thing but your own vehicle with no address in the U.K. could pose a problem. I had to search for a long time to find what I needed but I also have an address out there with family.

You can do all aspects of the import yourself from both ends. You do not need a bond and it is up to you but you do not need an importer or a broker.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 11:41 AM
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Hi James,
good plan though no doubt someone here will punch holes in it .. no bad thing though.
I've thought of doing the same thing in reverse to get myself a willys.

I would sugest you make a list of the company's selling what you are looking for and do a tour looking at their stock then you will have a handle on what you are looking for in the classifieds, if you can time your visit with the sodbury sale or one of the big landy shows then there are always vehicles for sale in the car parks.

some links for you:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/lis...dist=&nodays=0

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Old September 5th, 2012, 11:54 AM
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Thanks for all the info so far, very helpful. I have emailed Doug from his website, but have not heard back yet. I will definitely be getting in touch with him at some point before booking my ticket over there.

I am really amazed at what these things go for over seas compared to here in the US. The great thing is, I already feel as though I am getting such a discounted price that I see no need to buy an 88, I am fine paying around 4-4500 for one, having a great trip driving around in it, and shipping it back. I contacted a car dealer there that said they can offer 7 day insurance, so I think I have the legality of driving the 90 over there covered.

The shipper/importer I have been in contact with is LOA-INC in CA. That is the only one I have requested a rough quote from, and I think I can probably do better. Hopefully Doug can point me to somebody he knows and trusts.

I have been browsing autotrader UK for days and am getting more excited by the minute... its going to be a long 6 months.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 12:42 PM
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IMO, spend more on the vehicle and get a better one. The vehicle worth should be a higher percentage of the overall cost. You won;t be happy with a $4500 vehicle....

Also buying a good unit in the UK is not simple. 95% of them are rotted out pieces of crap and most of the guys selling them are crooks...
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Old September 5th, 2012, 12:52 PM
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IMO, spend more on the vehicle and get a better one. The vehicle worth should be a higher percentage of the overall cost. You won;t be happy with a $4500 vehicle....

Also buying a good unit in the UK is not simple. 95% of them are rotted out pieces of crap and most of the guys selling them are crooks...
nice generalization ...
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Old September 5th, 2012, 12:56 PM
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IMO, spend more on the vehicle and get a better one. The vehicle worth should be a higher percentage of the overall cost. You won;t be happy with a $4500 vehicle....

Also buying a good unit in the UK is not simple. 95% of them are rotted out pieces of crap and most of the guys selling them are crooks...
While I agree I could spend more, this is going to be not my 2nd, not my 3rd, but the 4th vehicle I currently own. So I don't, by any means, need a DD... I rely on the 335 for that. I am just looking for a reliable runner for the girlfriend to drive on wheeling trips and to cruise around town in. Ideally I could use it as a tow rig for my wrangler on longer trips to go wheeling.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 01:05 PM
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$4500 vehicle
$2500 shipping
$2500 importation (if all goes well)
=$9,000 vehicle all-in (less the parts you should buy while you are there, but then you aren't paying RORO but container)

profiting twice the base vehicle price would require some parts and labor (so you're no longer profiting 2x)

So take the advice and spend 2x on the base vehicle.

And remember if you bring back parts it has to be in a container a) with the vehicle or b) shipped separate, not RORO
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Old September 5th, 2012, 01:06 PM
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1. Don't do this expecting to make ANY money. You might, but if you are counting on it, do something else to make the money and then come back and start over.

2. Don't forget to factor in UK fuel costs

3. Don't forget to factor in UK speed limits and the fact that it takes freaking forever to get anywhere. Do not expect that you will be able to go see a whole bunch of vehicles all over the country in a relatively short period of time.

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I think Dave (ren ching) and Doug (130 tdi) did a defender scouting trip in the UK years back. Maybe you can solicit their opinions.

If you really want to make money, come back with a pile of Puma bonnets, 110 middle doors, genuine SVX grill/light combos and Blindo wheels.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 01:11 PM
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nice generalization ...
I'd also respectfully disagree. Having now imported my second one in the past year and in both instances feeling as though I knew exactly what I was getting, I can tell you that it's all about asking questions.

I can't tell you how many trucks I looked at that were enticing but for which the owner wouldn't provide good/sufficient photos or details. Both of the trucks wound up being below my budget and required more attention than I ideally would have liked, but in both cases I got a huge number of pictures, videos, history, etc. from the owners. And in both cases I had budget left over to fix the items that needed attention. There were no surprises (save one stripped brake bleeder screw) and that has been worth the $ and time to fix the items that were disclosed.

You have to have realistic expectations (these are 25 year old trucks that aren't held in the same regard as we hold them), and you can't fall in love with a truck (just as you shouldn't buying one domestically), but if you ask questions, know when to walk away and have some patience, you should be fine.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 01:16 PM
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Ship it back in a container, pick up some spares to help cover the costs. I'd throw in some money to ship a few "cheap" series parts from the UK, that are to big for post..
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Whatever you do, I would use Doug C.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 01:22 PM
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Frankly, if I break even, the trip will have been worth it. Right now I am looking at this as a really cool experience that will yield a very rare, very cool, fixer-upper, toy.
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$4500 vehicle
$2500 shipping
$2500 importation (if all goes well)
=$9,000 vehicle all-in (less the parts you should buy while you are there, but then you aren't paying RORO but container)

profiting twice the base vehicle price would require some parts and labor (so you're no longer profiting 2x)

So take the advice and spend 2x on the base vehicle.

And remember if you bring back parts it has to be in a container a) with the vehicle or b) shipped separate, not RORO
You are not including the cost of the trip... Visiting the UK is not cheap.
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