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Old November 16th, 2015, 12:07 PM
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Getting a crappy Defender

As it turns out you don't have to buy a Defender from the UK to get hosed.
Just got these pix from a girl who called looking for advice.
She bought a NAS 90 that was "ready to go" according to the dealer.

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Greater Chicago Motors | Pre-owned Dealer | Chicago, Illinois

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What it actually looks like in the important areas (see images).

I never understood the whole "trust the dealer" thing, but then again I did learn that lesson the hard way when I was a kid.

We have tried to show folks where and what to look for in the Buyers Guide:
https://eastcoastrover.smugmug.com/C...-guide-images/
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Old November 16th, 2015, 12:16 PM
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That sucks.

"But it looked good on the spinny thing?!"

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Old November 16th, 2015, 12:17 PM
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Is it gone all the way down the frame rail or just in those spots? Did it get a new rear cross member? Based on the condition of the front tire, it also needs an alignment or has some other issue. Sucks big time, but I suppose it depends on your time horizon. If you are going to own the truck forever, and don't live someplace dry, you are either doing frame/work maintenance forever or do a galvy frame once. Maybe I look on the bright side too much.
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Old November 16th, 2015, 12:18 PM
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"This vehicle's great options, floor mats". LMAO.
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Old November 16th, 2015, 12:19 PM
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Did they use mud and sticks to patch the frame? Bet she paid 40k+ for that disaster. Pretty awful.

I don't get why people buy Defenders without at least looking under the truck.
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Old November 16th, 2015, 12:21 PM
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Looks like she just bought it last week, right? Carfax doesn't show it residing in the best areas throughout its life. Post purchase is usually the wrong time to BEGIN looking for issues.

CARFAX Vehicle History Report for this 1995 LAND ROVER DEFENDER 90: SALDV3286SA980136
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Old November 16th, 2015, 12:22 PM
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Did they use mud and sticks to patch the frame? Bet she paid 40k+ for that disaster. Pretty awful. I don't get why people buy Defenders without at least looking under the truck.
Because the vast majority simply don't care. And even if afforded the opportunity to look under the truck, they wouldn't know what to look for.
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Old November 16th, 2015, 12:24 PM
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I don't get why people buy Defenders without at least looking under the truck.
It gets worse.
She paid an independent appraiser to check the vehicle prior to purchase.
He didn't look underneath either.
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Looks like she just bought it last week, right? Carfax doesn't show it residing in the best areas throughout its life. Post purchase is usually the wrong time to BEGIN looking for issues. CARFAX Vehicle History Report for this 1995 LAND ROVER DEFENDER 90: SALDV3286SA980136
LOL - spent its life circling the worst spots of the "salt belt."
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Old November 16th, 2015, 12:26 PM
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Looks like she just bought it last week, right? Carfax doesn't show it residing in the best areas throughout its life. Post purchase is usually the wrong time to BEGIN looking for issues.

CARFAX Vehicle History Report for this 1995 LAND ROVER DEFENDER 90: SALDV3286SA980136
Agreed.
The ones we see from the upper mid-west are worse than New England units. Looks like this one had the best of both worlds.

The 90 just arrived via transport at the owner's home.
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Old November 16th, 2015, 12:27 PM
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Here is the ad. Greater Chicago Motors | Pre-owned Dealer | Chicago, Illinois

$57,995
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Old November 16th, 2015, 12:34 PM
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That's pretty crispy.

Makes me wonder how bad the corrosion are on some of the aluminum pieces as those are easier to hide and harder to fix.

Sickening to think she paid an appraiser that signed off on that. That guy sounds like more of a scumbag than the dealer.
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They were being honest guv! It really is ready to "Go". In a big way that is.

Sadly too many D2 frames are going the same way already.
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Video just makes it worse. Ick.
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Looks like that appraiser will be having a visit from a lawyer...
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Time for a new frame.
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Old November 16th, 2015, 12:50 PM
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If it was a dealer, should they not legally be required to take it back? It is not safe to be on the road.
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Wow, that's alot of money for a not very nice example of the breed. The dealership photos are not good for judging condition (do they ever include areas that need to be evaluated??), but even in the photos supplied it looks like you can see rust painted over on the rear cross member, and the engine bay tells a tale of time spent in corrosive environments.

They don't call them stealerships for nothing I guess..

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Video just makes it worse. Ick.
Talk about held together by a wing and a prayer..

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Looks like that appraiser will be having a visit from a lawyer...
If not, he certainly should be, that's way to much to have been 'missed', sounds like he was being paid by the stealership as well as the client..
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Looks like that appraiser will be having a visit from a lawyer...
I don't appreciate Lawyers, but this is a situation where they should be welcomed by the buyer.
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I have never seen a frame ear so compromised that you can move it with your hand- incredible that a dealer would even try to sell that truck for $50k+
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