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Old November 18th, 2015, 09:49 AM
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Thankfully the marine industry has their own codes and standards (ABYC).
What does the automotive repair/rehab industry use?

Zippo.

That is why the word "restored" can just be stuck on any piece of crap that got a back yard paint job.
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Old November 18th, 2015, 12:05 PM
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I just heard from the owner and the dealership is taking the 90 back and will refund their money.
Good news for them, but please beware if you see this '95 Wagon pop up for sale.
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Old November 18th, 2015, 12:09 PM
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Old November 18th, 2015, 12:31 PM
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That is good news for the owner. Id image they are out the cost of shipping though.

Here is the VIN (not embedded in a link so a search will pull up this thread.

SALDV3286SA980136

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Glad to hear they are refunding the costs and taking it back. The buyer should demand the transportation costs to be covered as well. That dealership would be stupid not to cover all the buyer's costs, as they are only a phone call away from evening news public relations disaster..
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Old November 18th, 2015, 02:45 PM
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Glad to hear they are refunding the costs and taking it back. The buyer should demand the transportation costs to be covered as well. That dealership would be stupid not to cover all the buyer's costs, as they are only a phone call away from evening news public relations disaster..
The average viewer of the evening news might not share your outrage when told that someone bought a 20 year old truck sight-unseen for $60k that turned out to be a rust bucket. Most people already know that the average 20 year old vehicle is worn out.

Don't get me wrong . . . I have thoroughly enjoyed following along with this story and I'm glad she's getting a refund, but if it costs her the shipping fee it probably won't kill her financially and maybe she'll learn a lesson.
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Old November 18th, 2015, 02:56 PM
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.... maybe she'll learn a lesson.
What lesson? She had a PPI and appraisal performed by a 3rd party. What else is a buyer expected to do?
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Old November 18th, 2015, 02:57 PM
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The average viewer of the evening news might not share your outrage when told that someone bought a 20 year old truck sight-unseen for $60k that turned out to be a rust bucket. Most people already know that the average 20 year old vehicle is worn out.

Don't get me wrong . . . I have thoroughly enjoyed following along with this story and I'm glad she's getting a refund, but if it costs her the shipping fee it probably won't kill her financially and maybe she'll learn a lesson.
I think if the owner had gotten killed driving it after buying it they would.
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What lesson? She had a PPI and appraisal performed by a 3rd party. What else is a buyer expected to do?
Go in person with a screwdriver and a hammer?
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Old November 18th, 2015, 02:59 PM
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Go in person with a screwdriver and a hammer?
Not sure if you were trying to be funny. The normal car owner knows nothing about vehicles. That is why they pay an "expert" to check it out for them, which is what she did.
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Go in person with a screwdriver and a hammer?
AMEN!

Well, maybe an ice pick....
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Old November 18th, 2015, 03:13 PM
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Not sure if you were trying to be funny. The normal car owner knows nothing about vehicles. That is why they pay an "expert" to check it out for them, which is what she did.
Well, I'm being partially facetious, and also partially serious.

If I am reading correctly, you are asserting that "The buyer did what she could within reason and could not have not done more, within reason."

So yeah, from that assertion, going to the dealership with a screwdriver and a hammer seems like a ludicrous expectation.

However, I also know that I trust car dealerships as far as I can throw a 45 lb kettlebell. I also know how business works and how Defenders like this end up selling at dealerships for $50,000. I know how many times I have read "rust-free" defender in a for-sale ad, and I know how many stories there are on this forum describing bad experiences.

So from that perspective, taking a screwdriver and a hammer to a chassis before buying a $50,000 Defender seems perfectly reasonable to me. When buying a Defender, I could almost make it an expectation. At least partially seriously.
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Old November 18th, 2015, 03:21 PM
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Shipping fees too? The dealer might suck, but it's not on them that the buyer was remote and chose not to travel. The buyer screwed up and bought a totally f'd vehicle, but it's also the buyers problem that their inspector didn't catch an amazing case of chassis rot. The dealer is doing the right thing by taking it back, but this isn't an opportunity to stick them with every expense in this sad transaction.
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Old November 18th, 2015, 03:21 PM
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You do understand that she hired a 3rd party to inspect the vehicle, correct?

The buyer has zero blame in this fiasco. The dealership and the inspection company are fully to blame.
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Old November 18th, 2015, 03:22 PM
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Shipping fees too? The dealer might suck, but it's not on them that the buyer was remote and chose not to travel. The buyer screwed up and bought a totally f'd vehicle, but it's also the buyers problem that their inspector didn't catch an amazing case of chassis rot. The dealer is doing the right thing by taking it back, but this isn't an opportunity to stick them with every expense in this sad transaction.
The inspector should be paying any extra costs.
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Old November 18th, 2015, 03:32 PM
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The inspector should be paying any extra costs.

I agree with that. Inspector should be on the hook for whatever the dealer isn't covering. And a bad Yelp review.
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Old November 18th, 2015, 03:32 PM
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You do understand that she hired a 3rd party to inspect the vehicle, correct?The buyer has zero blame in this fiasco. The dealership and the inspection company are fully to blame.
Agreed.
Buyer did right.

Ed, if your wife was buying a Defender do you think she'd show up with a hammer and a screwdriver for a PPI?

Or maybe...she'd hire someone recommended as an inspector to do the job for her.


I'd say that the dealer might have been blindsided by this D90 as well.
I suspect they didnt do a very good ppi either!


Now, with all that out of the way, I'll go 17.5K for this 90 because it needs about 15k resto/frame work.


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Old November 18th, 2015, 03:43 PM
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The buyer has zero blame in this fiasco.
I agree. But assignment of blame is not the issue. Look, a person could go into a high crime neighborhood in the middle of the night, get mugged, shot, and killed. Who's to blame? The person who was shot and killed, or the shooter?

Clearly, any reasonable person would conclude that the shooter is to blame.

However, does assigning blame properly bring back to life the person who was killed?

Prevention of the crime, therefore, is just as important, if not more.
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Ed, if your wife was buying a Defender do you think she'd show up with a hammer and a screwdriver for a PPI?
If my wife was buying herself a Defender, I'd buy her a plane ticket, a screwdriver, and a hammer and send her on her way.
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The inspector should be paying any extra costs.
Ok, sure, but don't most inspectors limit their liability to the cost of the inspection? I agree that the dealer and inspector both suck, but the buyer isn't entitled to every expense they incurred just because it's a crappy truck. Bummer that the buyer did business with two lousy parties, and they will be generous in mitigating the buyers losses if they actually want to make things right, but I still don't think it's the dealers problem whether the buyer ships the car across town or across the country.

An academic point perhaps, but I'm willing to go 14.5, tops. I could use a donor title.
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