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Old November 17th, 2015, 01:40 PM
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Wow! That rust puts my 95 Tacoma frame to shame and I have taken mine off the road until I can make the necessary repairs. I can't believe that the person who appraised this car missed this. There has to be some type of insurance that appraisers carry.

Not a big fan of Yelp but there are some red flags with this dealer.

Thank you for posting the buyers guide. I am currently looking for a 90 and this was very helpful. This really highlights the value of having someone in this community assist in the inspection process.
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Old November 17th, 2015, 02:10 PM
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Holy Cow. I'm glad I live in the south. Can't believe a dealer would sell that in good faith.
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Old November 17th, 2015, 02:21 PM
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Holy Cow. I'm glad I live in the south. Can't believe a dealer would sell that in good faith.
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Old November 17th, 2015, 02:51 PM
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Wally is the sales manager. He can sleep at night knowing the dealer did the right thing by offering references for an independent inspection and the purchaser's interests were protected by electing for a PPI.
He can sleep at night? With caveat emptor being the only thing that separates him from being a dishonest piece of crap?
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Old November 17th, 2015, 02:54 PM
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He can sleep at night? With caveat emptor being the only thing that separates him from being a dishonest piece of crap?
Does that really apply if you go out of your way to hide bad frame rot?
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Old November 17th, 2015, 03:02 PM
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Wow! That rust puts my 95 Tacoma frame to shame and I have taken mine off the road until I can make the necessary repairs.
Is your Tacoma not covered by the recall?
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Old November 17th, 2015, 03:02 PM
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I may be wrong, but I assumed Russell was being sarcastic....
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Old November 17th, 2015, 03:12 PM
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He can sleep at night? With caveat emptor being the only thing that separates him from being a dishonest piece of crap?
Not justifying the dealer here.
The guy said they (the dealer) had no idea about the frame rot. The D had 2-3 prior test drives and those potential customers said nothing about it either. The guy who traded it in owned a few gyms and wanted a Porsche and 2-3 other vehicles for the D. Dealer had to research to see what the D was all about. Had no idea about the value. Once put into their system to sell, was surprised at the amount of interest it drew.
Simply put, this was his position regarding the chassis:
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Old November 17th, 2015, 03:12 PM
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Is your Tacoma not covered by the recall?
It went in for a Toyota inspection 5 years ago and passed. The warranty was extended to 15 years. It is in surprisingly good shape with the exception of a few problem areas. I have the bed off right now and am cleaning it up.
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Old November 17th, 2015, 03:13 PM
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Yikes- boxed frames are such a bad idea--- I wish these were a regular old C-frame.



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Old November 17th, 2015, 03:14 PM
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Ahh, that makes sense that they'd have to put an end date on it or they'd be replacing frames forever.
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Old November 17th, 2015, 03:16 PM
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I may be wrong, but I assumed Russell was being sarcastic....
Yes, "he can sleep at night" are my words and most here would come to the same conclusion.
I did receive a text from him a few hours ago that he "sent the info to the powers above me and he is landing later today". So perhaps the owner is becoming engaged. That should be good news for this gal.
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Old November 17th, 2015, 03:17 PM
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Yikes- boxed frames are such a bad idea--- I wish these were a regular old C-frame.



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Old November 17th, 2015, 03:25 PM
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The D had 2-3 prior test drives and those potential customers said nothing about it either.
I would think that they type of person who would buy a Defender at one of these high mileage / no longer good enough to be 'certified pre-owned' type of luxury dealers would not have a clue as to what to look for.
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Woah. Ugly. Too late to send it back for a full refund/?. "Appraiser" better call his insurance carrier.
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Old November 17th, 2015, 03:33 PM
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Balderdash.
LOL- you're not old enough to talk like that---now get off my lawn!



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Old November 17th, 2015, 06:37 PM
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How about getting a crappy series

Great video....

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Old November 18th, 2015, 07:29 AM
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That video is frightening. What amazes me is that someone took the time to install every nut, bolt, washer of the incorrect size. How much more effort would it take to do it properly? Zero. Also, the liability for such a build is astronomical.
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Old November 18th, 2015, 07:59 AM
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That video is frightening. What amazes me is that someone took the time to install every nut, bolt, washer of the incorrect size. How much more effort would it take to do it properly? Zero. Also, the liability for such a build is astronomical.
Agreed 100%

As we mainly do NAS Defenders now we don't see stuff like that too much anymore (we do see that kind of stuff on the few Euro Defenders we get in the shop though), but I sure wish easy video was around back in our early days when we would get in Series Rovers. They were so awful, just like the video shows and much much more. Road sign floor boards and a complete tail harness made out of house wiring come to mind in people's "restored" trucks.
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Old November 18th, 2015, 08:19 AM
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Thankfully the marine industry has their own codes and standards (ABYC). Broad in scope to address minimum workmanship issues as well (wire routing, crimps, fasteners, and a plethora of other material).
What does the automotive repair/rehab industry use? Granted, most of crap we see is crap and you don't need to reference a standard to determine. But if things get litigious, it is helpful to cite specific standards where the workmanship fell short.
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