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Old November 16th, 2015, 01:04 PM
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Because the vast majority simply don't care. And even if afforded the opportunity to look under the truck, they wouldn't know what to look for.
Well, yeah, but again, I don't get why they don't care. And a reasonable person would indeed see that stick/mud frame patch and maybe ask a question. Like, should sticks and mud be there?

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Old November 16th, 2015, 01:09 PM
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I don't appreciate Lawyers, but this is a situation where they should be welcomed by the buyer.

I appreciate lawyers after Will came to my rescue. Although previous to that, I would've totally agreed with you.
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Old November 16th, 2015, 01:18 PM
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As it turns out you don't have to buy a Defender from the UK to get hosed. Just got these pix from a girl who called looking for advice. She bought a NAS 90 that was "ready to go" according to the dealer.
It is ready to go - ready to go "snap."
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Old November 16th, 2015, 01:22 PM
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When I was hunting for a 110 I found at least two different trucks that had major portions of the frame MISSING. Nothing beats an onsite inspection. Buyer beware!
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Old November 16th, 2015, 01:43 PM
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That's a $25,000 video clip. I only guesstimate since it will probably have much more hidden damage once it starts coming apart. I don't think anyone here would bet against a final bill that exceeds 50 grand. That thing needs a complete rebuild, and that doesn't even open up the engine trans or transfer case.
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Old November 16th, 2015, 01:58 PM
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Wally is the sales manager. They took this in on trade-in ~ 2 two weeks ago. Offered the purchaser four references for an independent inspection. After the PPI, they agreed to knock $2000 off the asking price. He can sleep at night knowing the dealer did the right thing by offering references for an independent inspection and the purchaser's interests were protected by electing for a PPI. Makes me sick.
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Old November 17th, 2015, 02:18 AM
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Wally is the sales manager. They took this in on trade-in ~ 2 two weeks ago. Offered the purchaser four references for an independent inspection. After the PPI, they agreed to knock $2000 off the asking price. He can sleep at night knowing the dealer did the right thing by offering references for an independent inspection and the purchaser's interests were protected by electing for a PPI. Makes me sick.
If he knocked $20K or more off the asking price it would still make this sale completely unethical. shame on them!
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Old November 17th, 2015, 06:30 AM
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Does it have a 'new' inspection sticker? If so, from whom? I'd bet the state police would find that interesting. How about a 'lemon' law in that state? Law suit...
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Old November 17th, 2015, 07:56 AM
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Take that shit heap back, demand your money back and go buy that red cherry that is currently for sale in the classifieds for almost equal money.
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Old November 17th, 2015, 09:08 AM
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Holy lord... that's borderline accomplice to manslaughter.

That trailing arm mount is one good bump at 50mph from freeing itself from the chassis, turning the truck into a 2-link rear and sending the driver rolling. Terrifying.
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Old November 17th, 2015, 09:21 AM
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Holy lord... that's borderline accomplice to manslaughter.

That trailing arm mount is one good bump at 50mph from freeing itself from the chassis, turning the truck into a 2-link rear and sending the driver rolling. Terrifying.
Agree.
Looks if Plumber's Putty or something similar was purposely jammed into the rust holes to cover and hide them. Is there teeth in the system to pursue for damages from this person or shop?

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Old November 17th, 2015, 09:51 AM
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Take that shit heap back, demand your money back and go buy that red cherry that is currently for sale in the classifieds for almost equal money.
X2 This is ridiculous.
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Old November 17th, 2015, 10:32 AM
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A little Dealer Scammed used car buyer TV story is something local stations love.
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Old November 17th, 2015, 10:46 AM
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Guess some are starting to see why the market for clean, well kept and solid NAS 90's is what it is.
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Old November 17th, 2015, 11:00 AM
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Agree.
Looks if Plumber's Putty or something similar was purposely jammed into the rust holes to cover and hide them. Is there teeth in the system to pursue for damages from this person or shop?
Agreed.
I thought it was brown bondo or something. It does look "covered up" and not like normal rust.

I don't know the laws in IL. In Maine we would have to take this truck back (or make the repairs) if we sold it as a vehicle (if we sold it as parts or junk that would be different). Here you have to stand behind the major stuff for 30 days when you are a licensed dealer.

I spoke with the owner of the 90 yesterday afternoon and they are working on what to do.
I will let you know what comes of it if I hear the outcome.
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Old November 17th, 2015, 11:06 AM
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I find it odd that for the selling price, they couldn't just throw in a replacement galvy chassis. The cost of a brand new galvy chassis would be a fraction of the total sales price.
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Old November 17th, 2015, 12:50 PM
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I find it odd that for the selling price, they couldn't just throw in a replacement galvy chassis. The cost of a brand new galvy chassis would be a fraction of the total sales price.
Replacing the chassis isn't as simple as just throwing a new chassis under it. If the chassis is that rusty, most of the fasteners are probably going to break. There will inevitably be other issues as well. Not to mention the labor of doing that job...
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Old November 17th, 2015, 01:01 PM
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Replacing the chassis isn't as simple as just throwing a new chassis under it. If the chassis is that rusty, most of the fasteners are probably going to break. There will inevitably be other issues as well. Not to mention the labor of doing that job...
But if I bought a $55,000 defender with a chassis that looked like that, and I got a brand new galvanized chassis included in the sale, I would definitely not refuse it.

I'd also feel way, way, way less taken advantage of.

I think what you're referring to is that simply throwing in a chassis doesn't cover the cost of a swap, which is a fair point.
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Old November 17th, 2015, 01:06 PM
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At that price, I'd expect the chassis to be installed already!
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Old November 17th, 2015, 01:10 PM
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In Mass she would be covered by the lemon aid law, which extends to used vehicles.

http://www.mass.gov/ocabr/consumer-r...n-aid-law.html

In IL, not so much:

The Lemon Law DOES NOT Cover: Used Cars
Altered or modified vehicles
Motorcycles and boats

http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.g.../lemonlaw.html
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