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Old December 22nd, 2015, 07:41 AM
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Anyone ever try electronic rust prevention like this?

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Old December 22nd, 2015, 07:48 AM
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Thus I was wondering if there is something we could do to the garage (it is attached) to keep the truck in the best shape possible?
Move it to Georgia.
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 07:58 AM
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Garage it before the first snow fall, and accept that she isn't coming out till the spring showers have had a chance to clean-up the salt from the roads.

Having a climate controlled garage during that time will also be helpful, but it is really the only way to 'preserve it', if that is your intent. Sounds like you bought it as a winter vehicle though, so if that is the case, galvanize everything, and accept that everything is going to rust..
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I have a garage in TN you can store it at.
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 09:35 AM
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I dont think you sound douchy at all...

They're even using the brine down here in Virginia the last 2 years.
Really?

It seems that the northeast/midatlantic region cant stand it if a snowflake hits the road!?
Do they use all these millions of pounds of salt out west??


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Old December 22nd, 2015, 09:36 AM
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It's a good thing that Defender owners aren't the only people who care:

http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions.../134718_FR.pdf
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 09:38 AM
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Zack,
Assuming this is the 90 you brought in. The thread below generated a lot of discussion about expectations on trucks prepared in the UK. Hope everything worked out to your satisfaction. If it is this truck and you have that kind of coin invested into it, there is no solution to keep it rust free when driving through brine happy areas except to keep it parked until the 3rd spring rain. Rover used crap steel. Almost as bad as the cheapest Chinese steel fasteners from McMaster-Carr (that start rusting in one week). That being said, spray Fluid Film on and into every nook, cranny and orifice. That includes inside the frame rails, bulkhead, door channels, rear cross, and on every exposed fastener on the truck.
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 09:54 AM
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 10:01 AM
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It's a good thing that Defender owners aren't the only people who care:

http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions.../134718_FR.pdf
GREAT report, but it discusses the second half of the equation -- the performance of salt neutralizers used during a wash (Biokleen, ConSALT, Eastwood, Neutro-wash, Salt-away and Winter Rinse). It would be nice to know the pretreatment (if any...) ODOT sprays on their equipment. Someone reach out to Paul Ensinger (District 4 Roadway Services), Mike McColeman (Maintenance Administration), or Brian Olson (District 4 Hwy Mgmt Admin) to find out ODOT's special sauce. I'm still leaning towards Fluid Film until hearing otherwise from a hands on source.
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A study on sodium nitrite solutions to slow down or prevent galvanic cell corrosion. Note that concentration of sodium nitrite must be higher than the chloride concentration.

http://www.electrochemsci.org/papers/vol7/7086941.pdf

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GREAT report, but it discusses the second half of the equation -- the performance of salt neutralizers used during a wash (Biokleen, ConSALT, Eastwood, Neutro-wash, Salt-away and Winter Rinse). It would be nice to know the pretreatment (if any...) ODOT sprays on their equipment. Someone reach out to Paul Ensinger (District 4 Roadway Services), Mike McColeman (Maintenance Administration), or Brian Olson (District 4 Hwy Mgmt Admin) to find out ODOT's special sauce. I'm still leaning towards Fluid Film until hearing otherwise from a hands on source.
Thanks Russ. The document mentions a surfactant as being a critical piece of the equation. I'm assuming that products like the Fluid-film you posted serve that purpose.

As you state, there's a lot of voodoo in that document regarding the surfactant.

Not sure about the measurement of corrosion through mass loss...probably not the best method.
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 10:16 AM
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Thanks Russ. The document mentions a surfactant as being a critical piece of the equation. I'm assuming that products like the Fluid-film you posted serve that purpose. As you state, there's a lot of voodoo in that document regarding the surfactant. Not sure about the measurement of corrosion through mass loss...probably not the best method.
I just sent Dr. Monty and email to find out. Will try ODOT next. The farm boys and around Leesburg and nearby Kubota dealer like Fluid Film. But comparing the quality steel and hardware on a JD / Kubota to a Defender is a fruitless exercise.
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 11:07 AM
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Zack,
Assuming this is the 90 you brought in. The thread below generated a lot of discussion about expectations on trucks prepared in the UK. Hope everything worked out to your satisfaction. If it is this truck and you have that kind of coin invested into it, there is no solution to keep it rust free when driving through brine happy areas except to keep it parked until the 3rd spring rain. Rover used crap steel. Almost as bad as the cheapest Chinese steel fasteners from McMaster-Carr (that start rusting in one week). That being said, spray Fluid Film on and into every nook, cranny and orifice. That includes inside the frame rails, bulkhead, door channels, rear cross, and on every exposed fastener on the truck.
Fluid FilmĀ® | Corrosion Preventative, Lubricant and Rust Inhibitor
http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...d90-65424.html

It is not, its a 110 from Johan in Michigan. I beleive it was originally a fire house vehicle and as mentioned has very few original miles. Chassis is pretty rust free.

Do the electronic rust prevention devices work?
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 11:13 AM
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Do the electronic rust prevention devices work?
no, they do not.
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 11:59 AM
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Congrats on the 110. That was a fine looking vehicle and one that will do you well!

Not sure which area of VT you're in, but the Fluid Film suggestion is a great one. It's better than oil or used ATF, as it has the all-important properties of "seeping" and "clinging" to the surfaces that you're treating. At least it's something!!!


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Old December 22nd, 2015, 01:53 PM
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no, they do not.
Is that from experience or opinion?
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 01:58 PM
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Is that from experience or opinion?
From grade school science. You can buy one if you want. It's your money.

I don't need to get shot to know bullets are hazardous to my health.
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 02:57 PM
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I've stated this a few times before but at the risk of being annoying I'll say it again. I have used WD40 consistently for 10 of the 12 years I have been driving my D90. 120K+ miles. They use brine and salt here too but my chassis has no signs of deterioration yet. My calipers are original too. I soak everything and I try to put it up on a lift 3-4x a year and make sure I take a good look around as much as possible.
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 03:01 PM
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 03:23 PM
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From grade school science. You can buy one if you want. It's your money.

I don't need to get shot to know bullets are hazardous to my health.
I am no scientist or doctor or anything (OK I am a Dr), but from what I remember, you CAN inhibit rust using an electric current.

All rust is is oxidation of the metal, so using an electric current can, scientifically, reduce the rust.

My question is, does it work in practice!?
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