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Old February 14th, 2012, 01:05 PM
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The Defender is Dead!

http://www.roverparts.com/News/Archi...ngs+Land+Rover

A mini-van/crossover....SERIOUSLY!!!!
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Old February 14th, 2012, 01:07 PM
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Old February 14th, 2012, 01:16 PM
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Yea they nailed it alright.
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Old February 14th, 2012, 02:16 PM
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The Defender is Dead!

http://www.roverparts.com/News/Archi...ngs+Land+Rover

A mini-van/crossover....SERIOUSLY!!!!
We should all be thankful we have a real Defender to our names!
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Old February 14th, 2012, 02:30 PM
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Where's my bite stick? So what does everyone think the catalyzing event was that doomed Land Rover from it's heritage? BMW, Ford, A design director from Mini-cooper?

This makes my eyes rain !
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Old February 14th, 2012, 03:12 PM
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Great question...I personally don't buy the "BMW/Ford/Tata destroyed Land Rover" arguments.

In my opinion, the Japanese car industry completely bulldozed all competitors in the early 90's. After that, it was incumbent on all competing car manufacturers to change or die. It has taken almost 20 years for the rest of the world to catch up. Some might argue they are still trying to catch up.

I would hazard a guess that in the global race for sales and the need to deliver sufficient profits to "feed the beast", Land Rover has been lagging behind far enough to be the loser. But if you think about it at least they haven't ended up as badly as Saab, Saturn, or Mercury.

Maybe some of our UK friends have more insight.
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Old February 14th, 2012, 03:57 PM
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Do your research. I'd say you are lucky it will share roots with the Aria. The Aria is solid axle in the back and independent front. Not like the current Defender, but 50% like it? Better than independent all around. It is also body-on-frame design. That's a win over monocoque design.
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Old February 14th, 2012, 04:52 PM
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I was just in Pune in December....was an interesting place. Lots of development

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Do your research. I'd say you are lucky it will share roots with the Aria. The Aria is solid axle in the back and independent front. Not like the current Defender, but 50% like it? Better than independent all around. It is also body-on-frame design. That's a win over monocoque design.
This is true. Most Tata's I came across had solid rear axles and the roads people were driving these "crossovers" on in India were sometimes more hardcore than the off road trails we see out here.

DC100 is still ugly though.
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Old February 14th, 2012, 06:11 PM
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I would not consider it being made in India a problem. It is the design that is the concern...
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Old February 14th, 2012, 07:37 PM
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I think the Defender, if made in India, and keeping cost low, and expanding into the developing Asia market is an objective, will be dramatically simpler than what they have done with the concept. If the 1st world wants it simpler, and the 2nd and 3rd world want it simpler, I think demand will win out. I still have hope.
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Old February 14th, 2012, 08:28 PM
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I would not consider it being made in India a problem. It is the design that is the concern...
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Old February 14th, 2012, 10:41 PM
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I don't think I can buy a non-British Land Rover. Just seems wrong.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 06:42 AM
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Old February 15th, 2012, 08:32 AM
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Great question...I personally don't buy the "BMW/Ford/Tata destroyed Land Rover" arguments.

In my opinion, the Japanese car industry completely bulldozed all competitors in the early 90's. After that, it was incumbent on all competing car manufacturers to change or die. It has taken almost 20 years for the rest of the world to catch up. Some might argue they are still trying to catch up.

I would hazard a guess that in the global race for sales and the need to deliver sufficient profits to "feed the beast", Land Rover has been lagging behind far enough to be the loser. But if you think about it at least they haven't ended up as badly as Saab, Saturn, or Mercury.

Maybe some of our UK friends have more insight.
Completely agree.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 11:58 AM
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I don't think I can buy a non-British Land Rover. Just seems wrong.
Yah, it is pretty hard to give up that great build quality......
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Old February 15th, 2012, 12:23 PM
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I wonder if Tata will draw from the "Sumo" line of trucks as well, also manufactured in Pune. I have spent hours upon hours riding in Sumos over rough terrain. They are well built, but extremely uncomfortable. The ride is harsh, and the ergonomics are absolutely aweful.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 01:07 PM
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Yah, it is pretty hard to give up that great build quality......
What else would we do if our 90s and 110s had great build quality? We would have to give up posting here and spending time and money on parts and fixing them

But x3 on an India built Defender not feeling right.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 01:15 PM
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build quality just went from poor to horrible which isn't saying much.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 01:26 PM
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I wonder if Tata will draw from the "Sumo" line of trucks as well, also manufactured in Pune. I have spent hours upon hours riding in Sumos over rough terrain. They are well built, but extremely uncomfortable. The ride is harsh, and the ergonomics are absolutely aweful.
Sumo's are G-wagen clones. My forst job after college was on the assembly line at the Tata/Mercedes Benz plant.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 01:56 PM
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Arjun, thats interesting. Do they share any common platform or is the Sumo just a look-alike? I do see it now. My body hurts just thinking about climbing into the back of one of those Sumos.
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