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Old September 13th, 2011, 08:42 AM
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I totally agree, that thing will have a lot of mass appeal given the current "crossover" - suv trends.
I have mentioned a few times before that the real issue regarding us old school Defender owners is what Tata will do with regard to the military and commercial markets. I am guessing that the name of this "new Defender" may indicate that the real Defender will continue to be produced by another group either owned by Tata or sold/licensed to another. That's what will be the more important issue for us Defender owners, imho.
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Old September 13th, 2011, 08:46 AM
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Darth Vader has been given plans for the new Defender
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Old September 13th, 2011, 08:48 AM
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I don't even think the name "Defender" will test well in EU or US with the target market of this new model. And I'm talking the realized target market that will buy it versus whatever LR is thinking it is going to be. One thing I'm sure of is that they need to get out of the office and go to Billings once in a while if they think they are going to sell to the same market that the current Defender appeals to.

I can TOTALLY see Ken and Barbie driving down the PCH in this convertible, with Ken's ascot flapping in the wind and Barbie jamming to the Jonas brothers with her toy terrier in her lap. And that rear cargo area has plenty of room for all the Louis Vuitton luggage, and spare room for a case from NAPA!

Hurray, the Barbie Corvette has finally met it's match!
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Old September 13th, 2011, 08:49 AM
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It's like all models are merging into one.

I kind of like the convertible version, but it's clearly not a defender.
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Old September 13th, 2011, 09:00 AM
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Its kinda like the new Ford Explorer. Ford thought it was best to throw in the towel on making a SUV and base it on a Ford Taurus platform.

After watching the Top Gear featuring the new Evoque, my faith in the Company grows smaller everyday. Maybe there will be a Victoria Beckham edition Defender?
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Old September 13th, 2011, 09:12 AM
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Old September 13th, 2011, 09:18 AM
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umm...
Basics of the new Land Rover DC100 concept includes:

- Based on a lightweight, mixed-alloy platform.
- Cutting-edge, sustainable, hi-tech materials taken from aerospace industries.
- The Terrain-i scanning device warns the driver of obstacles when off-roading and can suggest alternative routes.
- Wade Aid uses sonar technology to assess water depth and advise the driver of optimum speed.
- Intelligent, next-generation, Land Rover Terrain Response system automatically optimises the car for any environment.
- Driver-activated spiked tyre system can be deployed at the touch of a button.
- Permanent four-wheel drive with an eight-speed transmission, Intelligent Stop/Start and a transfer case.
- 2.0-litre, four-cylinder petrol and diesel engine with hybrid and plug-in capabilities

I like the idea os the 2.0 desiel - the rest is just auto show garbage..
hopefully that and the light weight mixed alloy platform (ala LR3 frame + unibody chassis) will make it too. The rest thankfully has no chance of production for less than $100k - which thankfully is not the target market.

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Old September 13th, 2011, 09:21 AM
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Sadly I think that will sell well. Looks like a chick car but somehow I like it in some sick way (I'd like to see pictures with the soft top on).

Not a defender though.

------ Follow up post added September 13th, 2011 09:22 AM ------

Sadly I think that will sell well. Looks like a chick car but somehow I like it in some sick way (I'd like to see pictures with the soft top on).

Not a defender though.
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Old September 13th, 2011, 09:28 AM
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huwhat???
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Old September 13th, 2011, 09:43 AM
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autoshow fluff -

depends on how simple the truck will determine if it actually is a defender or not.
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Old September 13th, 2011, 09:51 AM
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Doubtful that in that configuration (2-seater gas guzzling "SUV") that it'll sell well. Open air tops are a dime a dozen nowadays, and with the failure of the Chevrolet SSR and others in recent memory, I do not see slapping a Land Rover sticker on there doing any better.
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Old September 13th, 2011, 09:56 AM
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Sadly I think that will sell well. Looks like a chick car but somehow I like it in some sick way (I'd like to see pictures with the soft top on).

Not a defender though.

------ Follow up post added September 13th, 2011 09:22 AM ------

Sadly I think that will sell well. Looks like a chick car but somehow I like it in some sick way (I'd like to see pictures with the soft top on).

Not a defender though.

agreed... I think it is going to sell just fine in the US and abroad. Unfortunately, land rover has to design their vehicles to what the MAJORITY of consumers want... and that isn't what we (this forum in particular) want. Solid axles, coil over suspension, and minimalist interior just plain doesn't sell... the market has certainly shown that... hence this new design. I for one would buy one... but I would take it for what it is, a "grocery getter"... and keep my d110 for bouncing off of rocks

I think there is a market for the solid axle vehicle out there... and it is dominated right now by the Jeep JK and TJ's... (might be able to throw the FJ in there... but not really)

Someone needs to revitalize the International Brand. Just sell simple, 4 wheel drive, solid axle vehicles that are safe, reliable, SIMPLE, AND AMERICAN MADE!... have a SWB and a LWB, 2 door and 4 door models as well as a truck, diesel or gas options. DONE... I am sure it will never happen... but that is my 2 cents...
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Old September 13th, 2011, 10:04 AM
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interesting comments -

I think the question of the day is

"would you buy one?" (assuming its a normal truck without all the autoshow fluff)

I'm going to go with Yes for myself, I would keep the D90 of course just like i'm keeping the porsche 356 - it becomes my fun car. The D100 would become my daily driver (the 90 is today)

Hopefully there will be a decent load space inthe rear since i haul a ton of scuba gear around, and i'd take a hardtop for the same reason with A/C. It'll be a normal car in that case.

Either that or i'm buying a ford transit connect (but that does not have 4 wheel drive which is actually useful to me when diving in some of the places i do)
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This is what i wrote on some of the Land Rover facebook pages:-

Looks great, but It is not and never will be a Defender. It doesn't look like its related to the series 1 80", it looks like its related to a toyota rav 4!! Its been made so poseurs in LA in the USA can say they have a Defender. The US based Defender enthusiasts mostly hate this concept and would rather have a vehicle which looks like the current model. They dont want fancy electronic sh*t or carpets, they want a rugged no nonsense capable turbo diesel 4x4, notice i said turbo diesel, the 3.0tdv6 would be ideal. I have been sending similar emails and letters to Land Rover for years, and you still don't take any advice on board.
I have spent more time in Defenders in my life than most of your staff! I have used them for work since 1983, series vehicles before that, I have rebuilt them, slept in them and travelled overland abroad in them. I have crossed the USA in Defenders (UK spec) more than once.
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Old September 13th, 2011, 10:19 AM
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Old September 13th, 2011, 10:23 AM
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Face it, those who want a simple, rugged, utilitarian 4x4 are a very small minority in the overall market. Just look at the US truck market, it's has moved away from simplicity and austerity. Look at what Jeep did. For better or worse, the decision was made a long time ago by Land Rover to target the upscale SUV market and that's where they make the money. Hand building Defenders for a very limited market is not. We are owners of a legendary vehicle that has very little appeal to the majority of car and truck buyers today.
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Old September 13th, 2011, 10:25 AM
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I like this post on the ECR Facebook page: "This encapsulates all that is wrong with society. Style over substance, looks over practicality. A shallow, grasping, materialistic selfish world. And ..after all that yes it is absolutely hideous."
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LRNA deleated my post, they just can't take it!
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more fuel to the fire now
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/13/l...urt/#continued

the interior looks simple at least - no carpet
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