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Old April 10th, 2016, 02:04 AM
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Frame swap... where to get frame which brand?

Hi guys,

I wanted to ask you where you would get your chassis if you were to get one and which brand?

Who carries this brand?

Any idea on how these things are shipped and delivered?

I am at a point trying to decide if I should do a full frame up restoration or not but I basically will have everything swapped forward of transfer case including bulkhead and actual reconditioned drivetrain. Figure if I am investing all this time, I might as well do frames while at it.

Do I need a trailer to transfer the frame from station? Could this be handled by 3 guys?

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Old April 10th, 2016, 06:13 AM
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as you know I live in the UK.

I always use Marshland chassis, they are better quality than Richards, they are made of thicker steel. They are a true like for like replacement.

They are made by GKN who also make chassis for LAND ROVER.

If I need a chassis for a project we are doing in the USA I always buy them from Rovers North. It saves a bunch of hassle. They can deliver to your door.

Rovers North Generally have stock. So no lead times, if you order one in the UK there is usually an 8 week lead time.
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Old April 10th, 2016, 07:45 AM
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Got mine from Atlantic British. Shipped to the door. You have a couple of great local places there to work.
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Old April 10th, 2016, 12:10 PM
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Seems like Defender NW carries Richards stuff.

I don't know about Lamorna.

I will probably buy from RN. BTW could anyone give me an idea how much the shipping on these things go for?

Weighs about 600 lbs? Or more? Would my 2 ton cherry pick lift this?

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Old April 10th, 2016, 12:43 PM
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Two people can carry a NAS 110 chassis so I assume the same for all of them. I weighed mine after galvy but can't recall the number - it's on my EV build thread somewhere. I have been to the Richard's facility and wouldn't hesitate buying one.

You will likely need to buy from a vendor or setup a group buy to fill up a container before buying direct becomes worthwhile. Pick whomever is closest to you because you still have to fetch and/or ship on this end.
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Old April 10th, 2016, 01:29 PM
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Two people can carry a NAS 110 chassis so I assume the same for all of them. I weighed mine after galvy but can't recall the number - it's on my EV build thread somewhere. I have been to the Richard's facility and wouldn't hesitate buying one.

You will likely need to buy from a vendor or setup a group buy to fill up a container before buying direct becomes worthwhile. Pick whomever is closest to you because you still have to fetch and/or ship on this end.
With the price of the Pound right now, I wouldn't hesitate buying direct. As a US customer, no VAT!

Shipping is surprisingly cheap considering these get crated up.
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I would have expected shipping to be a killer for a single chassis
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Old April 10th, 2016, 01:34 PM
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Could anyone share a number on freight? Eric are you importing one?

I am gonna call RN on Monday but can't wait to find out!
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Unless your chassis is wrecked beyond repair, consider repairing it and galvanize it yourself. Not only will it cost less (~$1000 vs ~$3,000), you're truck will still have its original chassis.
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Could anyone share a number on freight? Eric are you importing one?

I am gonna call RN on Monday but can't wait to find out!
Yep! I dealt with Richards directly. I'm on the list and expect to hear back in the next 5 weeks on final delivery details.

655GBP for delivery to my warehouse near Charleston, SC. Not bad considering the whole thing gets crated up!

The pound is basically at a 30 year low against the dollar. Now's a great time to pick up a chassis.
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Old April 10th, 2016, 01:58 PM
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Last I heard, Lamorna (of Seattle) uses a shop in Portland to galvanize frames, so it may be that he has experienced some of the same frustration expressed in other threads recently re getting galvanizing done in Seattle.

And there seems to have been a lot of posts lately about swapping in new frames, but isn't that a fairly serious registration issue? Are these guys engraving the old vin onto new frames???
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Old April 10th, 2016, 06:14 PM
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Last I heard, Lamorna (of Seattle) uses a shop in Portland to galvanize frames, so it may be that he has experienced some of the same frustration expressed in other threads recently re getting galvanizing done in Seattle.

And there seems to have been a lot of posts lately about swapping in new frames, but isn't that a fairly serious registration issue? Are these guys engraving the old vin onto new frames???
My frame is in fairly good shape but I feel like at this point I am basically redoing the entire drivetrain minus front axle and also redoing bulkhead and forward. I don't want to mess with it again any time soon. I want to see some logistics prior to making the plunge.

Mine was already titled in state of WA for a year prior to my ownership.
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And there seems to have been a lot of posts lately about swapping in new frames, but isn't that a fairly serious registration issue? Are these guys engraving the old vin onto new frames???
Nothing illegal about replacing a frame. There are laws, as with all things. You follow them, no problem.

Consult your local state police.

Problems come about when strange circumstances abound. For example, you don't have legal ownership of the truck, or are attempting to reconstruct from parts from who knows where. Or the VIN you're stamping isn't for your year / model of truck. Or you're a criminal wanted by the police. That sort of thing.
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Old April 10th, 2016, 06:40 PM
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Yep! I dealt with Richards directly. I'm on the list and expect to hear back in the next 5 weeks on final delivery details.

655GBP for delivery to my warehouse near Charleston, SC. Not bad considering the whole thing gets crated up!

The pound is basically at a 30 year low against the dollar. Now's a great time to pick up a chassis.
Eric what was your rational going with Richards? Have you received the frame?

Can the frame be unloaded by liftgate? I had a hell of a time trying to get exter/internal cage deliver to me. Erik from Lucky8 literally had to do some serious pursuation to a carrier to have it delivered to me. (Kudos to Erik).
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Mine was already titled in state of WA for a year prior to my ownership.
Not necessarily a grandfathered scenario - registration can be pulled. My recollection of this is that WA requires a great deal of paperwork on such swaps & it's not a slam dunk that any of them will be approved. Just make sure that you know the risks.
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Old April 10th, 2016, 07:54 PM
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Not necessarily a grandfathered scenario - registration can be pulled. My recollection of this is that WA requires a great deal of paperwork on such swaps & it's not a slam dunk that any of them will be approved. Just make sure that you know the risks.
I suppose anything is possible. I have registered 2 rovers and received two titles so far 90 and 110 in the past 5 months. None required any inspection.

Intent here is not to swap a VIN or change identity of the truck. I am trying to make sure myself and anybody riding this thing are in a safe vehicle. I don't know about you guys but changing frame will give me the peace of mind.

Those who have done frame swap, what length have your gone to legitimize your swap?

Should I keep a piece of original frame with VIN on it? Receipt will prove that I acquired the frame legally.
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I just imported one. 900 for freight (including fumigated wood for crating and insurance), 660 port fees and about 350 customs.

Trust me it's not cheap to import a. Single anything

The state side port fees really screw you
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Yep! I dealt with Richards directly. I'm on the list and expect to hear back in the next 5 weeks on final delivery details.

655GBP for delivery to my warehouse near Charleston, SC. Not bad considering the whole thing gets crated up!

The pound is basically at a 30 year low against the dollar. Now's a great time to pick up a chassis.
Just realized how much cheaper this would be even with shipping. It comes out cheaper by a thousand over buying from vendors in US. This is before adding the freight on their price. Seems like there will be more saving if you add shipping to US vendor price.

I may end up ordering from them as well.

Does anyone know if Marsland ship direct as well?

I keep reading Richards are thicker than Marsland. Or is it?

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I just imported one. 900 for freight (including fumigated wood for crating and insurance), 660 port fees and about 350 customs.

Trust me it's not cheap to import a. Single anything

The state side port fees really screw you

LOL. Yeah that seems like 2000 dollars right there.

Eric said that he is paying 700 ish pounds to be delivered to his warehouse. I suppose that only gets the frame on the boat?
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Eric what was your rational going with Richards? Have you received the frame?

Can the frame be unloaded by liftgate? I had a hell of a time trying to get exter/internal cage deliver to me. Erik from Lucky8 literally had to do some serious pursuation to a carrier to have it delivered to me. (Kudos to Erik).
Not sure. Probably not as it's much bigger than a liftgate.

I'm in the queue for a frame, not delivered yet. Once delivered, I'll tear it down of the packaging at my warehouse and load the bare frame on to my car trailer to take it home.

Went with Richards as it allowed me to customize it for my needs.
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Old April 10th, 2016, 08:57 PM
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Tell me about it! It's good to bring in 3 chassis at the same time to save freight, port fees and customs.

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I just imported one. 900 for freight (including fumigated wood for crating and insurance), 660 port fees and about 350 customs.

Trust me it's not cheap to import a. Single anything

The state side port fees really screw you
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