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Old July 17th, 2008, 10:19 AM
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I have an 1985 90 with a 2.5 petrol lt77 lt230 combo, which will need a new frame at some point. I have recently been thinking about going the Galv 200tdi frame and 200tdi engine combo that are both available on the board. Looking for opinions, it seems a waste to frame swap and keep the gas! I have gotten use to the lack of blistering speed, but was wondering how much an improvement a 200tdi would be over the 2.5 gas motor, other than the obvious mileage.
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Old July 17th, 2008, 08:04 PM
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is this thing on?????????

Im serious this time, i could ive with the engine, but my frame is definitely suspect!
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Old July 17th, 2008, 09:27 PM
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if you do the frame swap thing get a 200 or 300tdi for sure. Sounds great, blows smoke and gets 20-25 mpg. Still not a lot of power though. I would say a little better than the 2.5 you have. But you can always tune it to get better performance so I've been told. You can also make your own bio-diesel or run on veggie oil, you can't make your own gasoline/petrol. And when you are all done call me, maybe I will buy it back!

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Old July 17th, 2008, 09:53 PM
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I actually was going to call you to see what you thought about your 300. Like I said, i've gotten use to driving slow, but if i'm going to swap frames, i'm going to do the engine.
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I do like the 300tdi. I had a 200tdi 110 before and liked it too. The 200tdi seemed less complicated, but I think it was just all the room in the 110 eng. bay. The 300 will easily cruise at 70mph at about 2300 rpm. I don't usually drive any faster than that. so far my mpg's have been 18-25 depending my driving and a/c on or off. I would imagine the 300 is even better in the D90 because it is lighter etc.
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Old July 17th, 2008, 10:58 PM
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The 2.5 petrol and 200 tdi frames are the same. I prefer the 200 engine and just bought a complete Defender 200 drive train for my truck. The 300 is newer technology and puts out a few more horses than the de-tuned 200. The 200 can be tuned to put out nearly identical hp and is better on fuel per most accts I have read. If you had too you could reframe and do the engine swap later. 300 engine sit further forward and is a different frame.
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The 2.5 petrol and 200 tdi frames are the same. I prefer the 200 engine and just bought a complete Defender 200 drive train for my truck. The 300 is newer technology and puts out a few more horses than the de-tuned 200. The 200 can be tuned to put out nearly identical hp and is better on fuel per most accts I have read. If you had too you could reframe and do the engine swap later. 300 engine sit further forward and is a different frame.
That's just what I was going to say
Also the 200 was built by engineers and the 300 by accountants
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So I could either bolt the 200 into my exisisting setup and do the frame later, or do the frame first and the 2.5 petrol will bolt up to the 200 frame? (engine mounts are the same correct?)I know I should do the frame first, but it seems like tons more work.

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Its not as bad as you think. Especially if you're clever.
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Old July 18th, 2008, 08:35 AM
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thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt on being clever!
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Old July 18th, 2008, 09:31 AM
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If you got the roll cage on without any extra holes in the bodywork, you're suffciently clever.
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There's quite a few bits to unbolt when dropping a 200tdi in, why do the job twice
Get the new chassis and build it up from there, get the bulkhead galvanised along with the battery box and you'll laugh in the face of winter salt
Go the whole nine yards and get the body cappings galvanised and the rear tub supports too.
Been there done that, you'll be happy in the end knowing you did it right
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Funny you should say that! Roll bar was good, but I just put a couple of extra holes in my tuffy storage boxes though! Don't mount speakers when its 90 degrees and your short on time!
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Eric @ AB has a galv 200 frame for short money. Probably a good place to start.
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Thats what got me thinking along these lines! I called him last week.
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He did call so now I just need one more buyer to start a bidding war

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There's a guy over at North Midwest Rover Accessories whos got the same frame, so you guys are going to start the price slashing! He started at $1400!

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I'm caught, thats not a real place! But it could be! I wonder if anyone Googled it?
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LOL but his shipping would make up the difference

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Yeah, but North Midwest Rovers is just a little south of the Eastcoast where I live on the South Shore of L.I.

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Hey eric, would i be able to use the side fueltank with that frame?
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Hey eric, would i be able to use the side fueltank with that frame?
Sure, but why not install a side and a rear?
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