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Old September 12th, 2016, 06:55 PM
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For anyone on the fence about a roll cage...

I know Barry loves to rag on you guys for cutting up your trucks and installing cages, but this video is a great representation of what a very low speed rollover looks like in a Defender without a cage.

These aluminum bodies don't offer much at all by way of structural support and the passenger compartment crumples quickly. Sliders offer a ton of support for a side impact, but I'm of the opinion that if you're getting hit hard enough from the side for the slider to make a quantifiable difference, that the truck probably isn't going to remain upright after said collision.

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Old September 12th, 2016, 06:57 PM
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Old September 12th, 2016, 07:07 PM
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Damn. Looks like trailering to Mar with the kids. This shit is in the back of my mind when trip consists of 4 hrs on Highway 65 MPh. Sure truck is up to par but only takes another driver like in video to ruin your family. All drivers in video not thinking clearly.

External won't fit in garage so internal solution is on the table.
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Old September 12th, 2016, 07:12 PM
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That's some scary shit. There is no debating a cage will make the truck safer. You could still end up dead though. People die in cars safer than these tuna cans every day. To each their own. You really want to be safe, don't own a defender. I hear a camry is very safe.
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Old September 12th, 2016, 07:13 PM
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Adam,

Not sure how tight your clearance is currently, but the Safety Devices RBL183 might keep you low enough to fit. It's external around the windscreen but then passes through to an internal cage from the B to D pillars.

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Old September 12th, 2016, 07:17 PM
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Old September 12th, 2016, 07:18 PM
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Looks like the SUV that did the PITT maneuver just kept on going
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Old September 12th, 2016, 07:20 PM
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That's some scray shit. There is no debating a cage will make the truck safer. You could still end up dead though. People die in cars safer than these tuna cans every day.

To each their own. You really want to be safe, don't own a defender. I hear a camry is very safe.
Of course, there's no guaranteed solution to keep you alive in a wreck. Especially not in these things. But given their soda can-like ways I think it's worth taking any steps available to lessen your chances of looking like a Gallagher prop in the middle of the road. Especially given how relatively affordable cages are.

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Old September 12th, 2016, 07:21 PM
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Adam,

Not sure how tight your clearance is currently, but the Safety Devices RBL183 might keep you low enough to fit. It's external around the windscreen but then passes through to an internal cage from the B to D pillars.

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Think that's the ticket.
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Old September 12th, 2016, 07:41 PM
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Can anyone pull a measurement on an external cage on a ribbed roof. Looking from rib top to top of cage bar.
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Old September 12th, 2016, 07:52 PM
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The full external cages like the RBL172 aren't designed for trucks with ribbed roofs, so you'll actually have interference between the cage and the ribs. I've seen where guys have just crushed the ribs where the cage falls and run them like that without issue. The tubing diameter is 1.75" and the rear-most hoop, which is also typically the highest part of the truck, normally sits between 0.5" and 0.75" off the roof so figure 3" of added height to play it safe.

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Old September 12th, 2016, 07:58 PM
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OK I'll buy various diam pvc and tape on roof to see what I can get away with before committing to internal.
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damn thats scary... talk about overreacting.. the guy in the yukon didn't have to swerve like that to avoid an accident..
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Old September 12th, 2016, 08:13 PM
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Yep thats scary. Has anyone ever galv dipped a cage? Are the tolerances/fittings large enough?
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Looks like there was a bit of traffic up ahead...the Yukon and the white suv were going too fast. The 90 had his blinker on to get into the left/fast lane. Yukon driver wasn't paying attention to anything other than what was going on ahead of him (or his cell)...started (drifted) into the lane with the 90, didn't see him...maybe in his blind spot. He over corrected. Looks like the white suv may have seen what was going to happen and because he was going fast, decided to get onto the shoulder and floor it. No one was really prepared. I've seen accidents like this happen...with and without a roll cage. Guess who got to walk away? I ALWAYS watch for the other driver(s)
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The full external cages like the RBL172 aren't designed for trucks with ribbed roofs, so you'll actually have interference between the cage and the ribs. I've seen where guys have just crushed the ribs where the cage falls and run them like that without issue. The tubing diameter is 1.75" and the rear-most hoop, which is also typically the highest part of the truck, normally sits between 0.5" and 0.75" off the roof so figure 3" of added height to play it safe.

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I think this is the only one SD makes that would work with Ribs Land Rover Defender 90 300Tdi Hard Top Multi Point Bolt-in Roll Cage | Safety Devices €“ Experts In Automotive Safety Solutions

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I have an L183 on my ribbed 110.

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oh snap...you're right..I just watched it again. It was the other way round. That 90 was putting his toe in the Yukons lane. Ugh...
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Old September 12th, 2016, 09:24 PM
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. That 90 was putting his toe in the Yukons lane. Ugh...
Dont forget that was in Russia...so they were all probably drunk...


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I daily drove a fully cages rally car with 5 point harness for 3 years, after that nothing else seemed safe. Over the winter I'll be installing a eco-cage on my S2A
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